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Floyd (forgive me for forgetting the title), but your song about discovering a love note intended for someone else, a stranger, is an excellent example of ripping the listener's heart out and then being thanked for the experience. You write at, what I call "the gut level", that few writers ever attain. I think, with your tutelage, Josie will be an excellent writer and that is not to put down her current first songs - I love them - but I think she'd be first to say that she needs your "polishing" touches. I am in constant awe of her growth as a singer/guitarist/songwriter/engineer/performer. She is amazing! Perhaps I chose a genre or particular song based on the emotion that it invokes. Few of the "Modern (Now) Country" ilk satisfy that emotion. Not that an entire album need make me cry but I find myself returning to them more often than the more upbeat offerings. "Neon Moon" by B&D is an excellent example of what I consider "Modern Country". https://youtu.be/ewiodUlKey4Tim McGraw - Don't Take The Girl https://youtu.be/hMk8YWV7te8Don't Take The Girl gives insight into attitude adjustments that evolve in a boy between 8 and 80 years of age.
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Whoa!!!!!! FG---There are some AMAZING insights in there! YOU JUST BLEW MY MIND!
I don't have time to respond very much right now, but I will.
What incredible observations!
Thanks for THAT response! It was above and beyond!
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I'm apologize if I have offended you as it was not the intention. I was trying to add a little humor to the thread, as is done in every thread I have been involved it regardless of where it is. Thank you my good man! You are a class act in EVERY sense of the phrase. That being said, it is not you who needs to apologize, it is me. I am very sorry as I brought feelings into this that I can elaborate more on later. Truly know I am sorry, and now see your intent. I felt like the thread turned from "who else here is doing this type of music" to "who here hates this kind of music and post why." It was frustrating for me, but I reacted inappropriately. I am sorry. I probably should typed this is why I don't listen to modern music as virtually everything on modern radio sounds the same to me. As Bob said cookie cutter music. When someone has a hit a lot of people try to copy it, some to a T. That even extends into some of my favorite music such as smooth jazz, ambient, new age, etc. I do see the common threads in the songs. Digging further I see so many subtleties that I really like. But that's more in the production than the writing. On the writing side, it is also easy to lump a few songs together that are similar in a genre and say that's the whole genre. There is some pretty decent stuff out there from a writers stand point as well. It's just not everyone's cup of tea, or bottle of beer (my new single?)  Personally I think the best approach to a new genre of music is to listen, copy, maybe transcribe, then experiment with it. After a general knowledge of it then ask "I am trying to do ______ with little success. How do you guys play it?" YMMV That is why I started this thread! I'm doing those very things. It's just not as much fun when the thread goes a different direction. But that can be the nature of forums. I was truly having a hard time finding others doing this on the forum so decided to ask. It went very wrong, however, I did identify some, and got some great insights! For the record I did not say
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I can't even listen to that %#*@! I know you didn't. Sorry if my response made it seem that way!  Thanks for your response! I'm always thankful for people that take the time to reply. Sometimes we don't see eye to eye, but I believe we all are pretty decent people on this board. You, of course, in my book are a true stand up kind of guy. It's appreciated big time.
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Perhaps the following experience Re: Genres will make some sense in this thread:
For about 70 years I wouldn't cross the street to hear the best Jazz band in captivity. Through these forums, I met Matt Finley and Mario D., Peter and Oliver Gannon.
I don't know which came first, the proper introduction to Jazz or my growing affection toward these gentlemen.
After learning that Matt is on Pandora, I created a Matt Finley Station and get a daily dose of Jazz. It may never be my favorite genre but I respect these friends and find myself wanting to share in THEIR joys ahead of my own.
I blame myself for not understanding Jazz. To the uninitiated listener, it seems that everyone is on a separate path with the only thing in common is the final destination where EVERYONE plays a crescendo and the timpanist goes postal.
They all reciprocate by being perpetually tolerant of my compositions in BIAB.
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To all, the apologizes both have been accepted. Let's move on and try to answer HearToLearn's original question.
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To all, the apologizes both have been accepted. Let's move on and try to answer HearToLearn's original question. What? And risk making this a music-related forum? Surely you jest, Shirley!
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Hey, hey! -- Look at -- My truck!
Pump it up!
Hey, girl! -- Cold beer -- Drink that drink! Sadly...that actually works!  
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Surely you jest, Shirley! This ALWAYS make me laugh!
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Last summer I took a 6 hour road trip to visit some friends and spent the entire time listening to modern country radio. I wanted to hear for myself what it's all about. I heard two things, about 80% was pure repetitive generic stuff. I won't say crap, it was solid productions, solid beats but also same o same o. It sounded like there was one studio session band that all the singers used. Literally. I was listening to the drum tracks and it really did sound like the same drummer for everybody.
However, after 6 or 7 songs of this suddenly there was something different and very, very good. I mean some horns, much more song structure, different lyrics and even a couple of good but brief solos. Solos are something that is mostly missing but they're not dead.
Then as I'm driving and thinking about this I realized nothing has changed from me listening to local radio when I was on the road in the 70's. It was the same thing then. Tons of forgettable commercial pap that nobody remembers now with 10-20% of what we now consider to be classic rock, R&B and country.
Bottom line after listening to several country stations over 6 hours of driving I realized it's not as bad as people think. I heard the same ratio of commercial pap to some really impressive stuff I heard years ago which tells me what Floyd and Charlie are saying is correct. There must be lots of good stuff hiding on their albums that don't make it to radio play, just like it's always been.
Artists have to do what they have to do to make money. That's called being commercial and back in the day we used to joke about it. The majority of big name artists really do have lots of talent but they have to be careful so they can only "sneak in" one or two great songs onto each album knowing there is a certain percentage of their fans are hip enough to enjoy it but the majority of their fans are not.
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My personal commentary on "Neon Moon":
The first thing that jumped in my good ear was the similar "feel" to "Third-Rate Romance" of several decades ago. (forgotten the artists)
The backing is clean, crisp, and simple without subtracting from the lyrics. Very solid rhythm and Latin-esque beat. Excellent storyline that anyone can relate to who has ever lost a love.
Absence of shrill, screaming guitar fills. Very pleasant instrumental break. In my opinion, a great Modern (Now) Country write.
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To all, the apologizes both have been accepted. Cool beans my friend! You're not as unreasonable as EVERYONE else on this forum seems to think you are. (My feeble attempt at sarcasm) Let's move on and try to answer HearToLearn's original question. Before we do, let's address the video you posted. I have a slightly different take on it. It's accurate...sort of. There's enough truth to it to make it it's own hit in a "cross over crowd" Those have love traditional country, love that this was made. Those that hate ALL country, love that this was made! What a brilliant writing concept! To make a "hit" from other "hits." At 5.5 million hits on just this version of the video, someone knew what they were doing. I'm not sure, and would have to check, but I think several of those songs were written by the same people...and sound similar. People pointing that out reminds me a bit of when CCR tried suing John Fogerty for sounding too much like John Fogerty! Ha! That was trip! It's my guess, that this is and will be this person's biggest hit Kind of crazy, eh? Feel free to answer my question if it applies. If it jumps to other subjects, carry on with them. No biggie. Sorry it was made out to be. If my responses seem a bit odd, I'm responding in between other activities when they don't require my attention. I'm an hour from lunch and by the looks of it, it will be crow  Now ya'll with have to wait until I unleash my list of Bro-centric songs on the boards. A little glimpse of the titles... "That Ain't Sugar In That Shaker" inspired by Mario "I'm A Rockstar Now" inspired by Floyd Jane "Truck U" inspired by Charlie Fogle "Boom Boom Base and Tailgates" inspired by 90 dB "Ma' Dern Family" inspired by Noel96 "Well Done" inspired by JosieC "Different Dude. Different Chicks. Same Song" inspired by bobcflattpicker It could work! Careful, Bob is writing modern country! "Scottish Eggs and Beer" inspired by Donny G! "6 Hour Road Trip. 12 Pack of Beer" Inspired by Jazzmammal...I had to add the beer
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"The first thing that jumped in my good ear was the similar "feel" to "Third-Rate Romance" of several decades ago. (forgotten the artists)"
That would be 'The Amazing Rhythm Aces'
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Bob said:
Then as I'm driving and thinking about this I realized nothing has changed from me listening to local radio when I was on the road in the 70's. It was the same thing then. Tons of forgettable commercial pap that nobody remembers now with 10-20% of what we now consider to be classic rock, R&B and country. I think it was our own respected music guru, Mac, that I quoted above: "Today's (Now) Country is 60s - 80s R&R, R&B, Pop!" You've just borne Mac out.
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If the definition of modern country means "current" country with a big tent (and not the "bro country" genre) there are some wonderful artists out there performing in what would be by many considered as the singer/song writer category. Mr jane has ferreted out a treasure trove of these folks that janice and I listen to regularly. Also captured under the huge tent of Americana are great sings and artists that to many would seem country.
So....what I'm trying to say (perhaps not well) is that "new" is not inherently evil. One just has to dig deeper than the local country station. And a lot of these are, as referred to by floyd, bumper sticker songs. Great writes that stick with you.
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I'm too immersed in Brazilian jazz to notice most other genres, including country (classic or new). But if you are taking requests for song titles, my suggestion would be for my dog running away, or maybe my wife running away but my dog coming back.
Sorry! Just having a little fun reading this thread and not knowing enough to participate intelligently ...
Carry on. I definitely want to hear what you write for MarioD.
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my suggestion would be for my dog running away, or maybe my wife running away but my dog coming back. See Matt, that's OLD country. New country is sugar shakers, alcohol of some sort, dixie cups, tailgates, tans, and trucks. Now you can talk to anyone about any type of country and sound intell...um...Brazilian Jazz you say?
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"The first thing that jumped in my good ear was the similar "feel" to "Third-Rate Romance" of several decades ago. (forgotten the artists)"
That would be 'The Amazing Rhythm Aces'
That's the one, Charlie. Ty. Had a severe bout of brain constipation. Look what you have ahead to look forward to! Chortle. Don
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I'm too immersed in Brazilian jazz to notice most other genres, including country (classic or new). But if you are taking requests for song titles, my suggestion would be for my dog running away, or maybe my wife running away but my dog coming back.
Sorry! Just having a little fun reading this thread and not knowing enough to participate intelligently ...
Carry on. I definitely want to hear what you write for MarioD. Matt, I actually wrote a Delta Blooze song on that exact theme while employing the 3 lines followed by 1 resolving line concept. Blues writers are overrated, they only use two different lines! Chuckle.
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Most of the songs I've written are country, ...and it wasn't on purpose. I guess the country boy in me just came out. Even some of my songs that I classify as boogie songs would be categorized as country by today's standards.
If I was going to try to write songs for commercial reasons, then modern country would be the genre I'd choose.
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To all, the apologizes both have been accepted. Let's move on and try to answer HearToLearn's original question. What? And risk making this a music-related forum? Surely you jest, Shirley! Dam it Don I told you to stop calling me Shirley!
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