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#33828 - 08/29/09 03:50 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: WienSam]
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There are utilities that can interrogate the SMART interface and report.

I have one that is running in my system tray
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#33829 - 08/29/09 07:47 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Lawrie]
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Lawrie,
You posted twice in a row and I missed one so I'm replying now.
This stuttering of the scroll line has always been a problem. I reported it a while back. I'm going to try RB in my other machine and see what it does.
I sort of was not clear on the temp when I posted. At the time it was @ 42C which was at 8:52 AM. I turn these things on at 6:00AM & turn them off at 6:00 PM . By that time temp is up to 54C. I may have indeed damaged the drive. Elevating the computer the temp never got above 40C. I shouldn't have said the running temp was 54C.
When I removed the old drive I could see what appeared to me evidence of high temp inside.
I'll report back on the test of the other machine
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#33830 - 08/29/09 07:52 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Sam,
I use AnVir Task Manager.
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#33831 - 08/29/09 08:38 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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I'm way beyond my knowledge here but tell me what you think.

211 MB---song size / 181 Sec.---song length = 1.2 MB per second.

Drive Spec.
Transfer Rates
Transfer Rate (Buffer To Disk) 600 Mb/s (Max)
Buffer to Host (EIDE)
Mode 5 Ultra ATA 100 MB/s
???????????

The other machine was worse.

To bad there's not an option to load the song into Ram.
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#33832 - 08/29/09 06:00 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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G'day John,
dunno whether these are published spec's or somehow measured/estimated, but the 600 Mb/s roughly translates out as 75 MB/s and of course the 100MB/s exceeds this - both significantly larger than the 1.2 MB/s you've estimated is necessary for the song (there'll be other things going on too to increase this).

There are other factors involved. One is a question as to whether these figures are sustained or burst. Another is what effect associated hard and software may be having - not to mention what problems may be caused by the overheat.
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#33833 - 08/30/09 07:01 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Lawrie]
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Well I think I've beat this to death. Things are much improved with the heat reduction. I notice if I move the mouse around while a song is playing the scroll stutters.
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#33834 - 09/01/09 12:10 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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I'll keep my fingers crossed.
The NVidia card has a program that is called NView. It's for managing multiple monitors and multiple desktops. It has check boxes to disable it which I did. No more scroll stutter.
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#33835 - 09/01/09 12:48 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Video driver once again!
Thanks for keeping us posted
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#33836 - 09/01/09 08:46 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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G'day John,
Quote:

I'll keep my fingers crossed.
The NVidia card has a program that is called NView. It's for managing multiple monitors and multiple desktops. It has check boxes to disable it which I did. No more scroll stutter.



This is good news, but I must say I a bit confused. You weren't having the problems when running from an external drive - something just doesn't seem to add up for me...
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#33837 - 09/02/09 07:09 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Lawrie]
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I speak to soon. Wishful thinking. It seemed to be OK on the external then wasn't.It seemed to be better with more cooling. It seems to be OK, not perfect, with NView disabled. We'll see. I'll report back in a week.
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#33838 - 09/06/09 08:34 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Hi John - I've only skimmed thru this thread, but I wanted to add something I've noticed: if BIAB or RB are not the focus, then the scrolling on my screen is choppy. if I click on the window and make it the focus window, then the scrolling is smooth. as soon as I click off of that window, however, chop city.

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#33839 - 09/06/09 08:41 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Beagle]
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Explain how I experiment with this. I'm not quite sure what you mean about the window not being the focus.Where would I click to make it choppy and were would I click to smooth it out?
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#33840 - 09/06/09 08:52 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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"In focus" means that the particular window is activated and ready for input rather than just showing on the screen.

Typically but not always indicated by the bar at top being Blue for In Focus. Grayed bar is out of focus. This may change colors if you've messed with the Windows presentation scheme, but the same logic will apply.

So you click on that bar to bring the window into focus if there is any other window that has the bar turned dark blue instead.


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#33841 - 09/06/09 11:12 AM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: Mac]
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didn't seem to make any difference. Everything seemed to help some. Not perfect.
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#33842 - 09/06/09 12:28 PM [RealBand] Re: Small Annoyance [Re: silvertones]
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Quote:

Everything seemed to help some.




That is typically a sign that you haven't hit on the root problem and that the problem is inherently somewhat erratic in nature.

The only real and good clue is when you finally do something that makes it either go away entirely -- or sometimes a tweak that makes it get much worse.


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