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Is there any way to get the "old" style picker window back in 2016?

I really tried to love the new style picker window, but I just never bonded with it.

I'm doing a new fake disk (Real Book Sixth Edition) and to match songs, I'm doing a lot of style 'browsing'.

For me it just isn't easy to browse styles with the new dialog. If the song search works, it's OK, but for the tunes in this book, few of the song titles bring up anything useful.

I can set the filters, and no matter how I set them, I get too many inappropriate genres of styles for the "Real Book" and if I try to test the styles on the song, it changes the tempo to the tempo of the style, not the song.

I'm sure it is better for some people, but I like the old one better.

Suggestion to Peter -- perhaps two buttons, one for the new and one for the old?

Thanks
Notes

I just put a request in the Beta forum:

Is it possible to have a checkbox choice in Options for
TStylePickerDialog or TStylzDialog ?
Like: "Use Classic Style Picker"

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=351426

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=335583

I agree wholeheartedly with Notes!!!
Cecil

What the new StylePicker needs is the ability to create user categorization, which Peter mentioned was intended to be a feature of BIAB 2016.

My vote for the ability to toggle between those two options

KR
SC

There isn't a way to get the old stylepicker back, but there is a way to change the two features that you mentioned that you don't like.

Changing the tempo is a setting in the options... Press the options button.

Showing a lot of styles can be solved by deselecting "show similar styles" checkbox.. Note that the styles are sorted from best to worst, so showing a lot isn't a bad thing, because you can just ignore the ones that are more styles than you want to see.

If you have other features that you liked, please mention them and I'll tell you how to do them, in the new stylepicker, or will add them to the features todo
list

Yep...I've never really liked the "new and improved" style picker either.

"If you have other features that you liked, please mention them and I'll tell you how to do them..."

old dogs, new tricks ?

Notes:

We've gone the rounds on the new StylePicker window in several other threads. I gave a couple of examples awhile back (can't find the thread at the moment) of how I thought the new StylePicker should work.

I think it's safe to say, there are a number of "old time" BIAB users who are less than enamoured with it. Perhaps it would be helpful if you could provide a specific example of what you tried, what the results were, and why they didn't meet your needs.

I recently tried to find a style for the "original" version of Kansas City. I ended up going back (as you have intimated) to the old StylePicker window to get what I wanted. (I keep an older version of BIAB on a separate machine, just for that purpose).

Good luck!
LLOYD S

OK, I'm doing John Coltrane's "Mr. P.C."

Problem 1

I set the filters to

• Jazz
• 4/4
• Sw8
• 256
• Real
• No Soloists

I unchecked "Include Similar" per Peter Gannon's suggestion and I get 3 styles _GYPSYJF, _GYPSYCN, and _GYPSYJD, none of which are appropriate.

I uncheck "Include Similar" and I get hundreds of styles including flok, bluegrass, country, soul, R&B, Funk, Lite Pop, Reggae, Celtic, Synth Pop, Blues, Latin, Modern Pop and more including hundreds of Ev8 styles (when the filter still says Sw8).

Even if I click the "Jazz" Genre heading, the fourth style is country, the 15th is Ev8 and so on.

Putting "Mr. P.C." in the familiar song dialog brings up the Gypsy Jazz first and no logical order to me underneath.

And what about songs that aren't in the database. There must be millions of them. Before "Mr. P.C." I did Pat Metheney's "Missouri Uncompromised" which turned up nothing.

"Miss Ann" brought up Little Richard, and nothing for Eric Dolphy.

"Minority" brought up Green Day, not Gigi Gryce

"Milano" turned up nothing, nor did "Midwestern Nights Dream (Metheny), "Midnight Mood" (Zawinul) and dozens of others.

Unless every song ever written is in the database, the search for song title is worthless.

Problem 2

So I scroll to jazz styles to find what I think might be a bop style and to test I want to click "Play Using Current Chordsheet For Song". This seems appropriate, but instead of the mm=256 for "Mr. P.C." it changes the tempo to 190 and I have to re-type 256 in the box to try it out. Same for all the the other styles.

With thousands of styles to choose from, this extra typing becomes a huge time sink (not to mention carpal tunnel bait).

For me, browsing the old style picker box was much better. On the other hand, I'm sure for others the new one is fine.

Notes

Notes:

I tried your "browse" with similar results and agree with your findings.
Another thing that is troubling to me is, the first style that comes up, _GYPSYJF, doesn't show "mr. p.c." as an "example" in the "memo" box in the bottom LH corner of the StylePicker window. (and in fact, it shows NO examples).

If you go to the next style in the list, _GYPSYCN, it shows "Examples:Sweet Georgia Brown, Minor Swing".

I would have thought there would have been a tighter correlation between the Styles and the Examples.

Did you have a MIDI style that you liked for this song? If so, did you try loading that, then see if there was a suggested RealTracks style replacement?

LLOYD S

Thank you for the detailed description. It may not be appropriate for the song you have in mind, but it did give you exactly what you asked for. It sounds like what you want to do is browse the styles like you used to in the old StylePicker, rather than use the filters. You can do this:

1. Make sure "include similar" is unchecked and press the Clear button if you have any filters on.
2. Select the category that you want to browse from the Category menu.
3. Browse the styles.

E.G. Selecting "Everything Jazz" is equivalent to choosing "Jazz[all]" in the old StylePicker. Does that help at all?



There are several thousand songs in the Song title database. We have not added all of those songs to specific style memos. In fact I wouldn't think Mr P.C. should go there as an example for that style. The song title helps you find a style that works for a given song. For many songs it IS a perfect match, in some cases it will just be the style that has similar characteristics.



I disagree... maybe we are missing some popular songs, but we can easily continue to expand the database to fill in those gaps. The feature is more useful to some people than others. For myself, I find it quick and easy to think of a popular song that has the feel I'm after. Say, Superstition - I can just type that in, rather than having to know that I am looking for a style that is Even 16, 4/4, Funk, at a tempo of about 100bpm.

Good idea Lloyd, but my favorite MIDI BeBop styles are Norton Music styles. Besides, I'm trying to do the Real Book with all Real Styles so loading MIDI styles will just slow down the process.

Notes

Thanks for your quick response and suggestions Andrew


This went from too many to too few styles. Some of which are 3 variations of the same style. I actually only hear 2 styles with enough variations (change piano to guitar or organ, add drums, etc.) to make 10 variations of only 2 different styles. Neither one is appropriate for the song.

Are they the only Sw8, no solo, Real Jazz styles you have? I think you have more than that.

If I check "Include Similar" the list is full of country, lite pop, folk, Ev8, and so on.



But both my styles and PG music styles are also guilty of putting the wrong style in the memo. It comes from the early days when there were few styles to choose from. The best style for the song seemed to be ????????.sty at the time, it was closer than the others, but with all the better styles out there, it no longer works.

We all were willing to settle for less in the early days of BiaB, because it was the best we had. It still is the best we have, but it's gotten much better, we've been spoiled, and what we would settle for in the 1990s is no longer appropriate.



1) This doesn't work for a song I want to write myself. And isn't that a prime reason to use BiaB? Say I lay down a chord progression to a song in my head, and I want to try some funk styles for it, but I don't want it to sound like Superstition, or don't know exactly what I want it to sound like. I could browse the funk styles, and then perhaps figure maybe it would be better as an 8-beat and browse some more.

2) "The Real Book" is the most popular jazz book ever written. These songs don't show up; African Flower, Afro Blue, Afternoon In Paris, Agua De Beber, All By Myself, Alright Okay You Win, Always (Irving Berlin), Ana Maria, April Joy, Arise Her Eyes, Armageddon and that is just in the A's -- one shy of half the A's in the table of contents do not show up.

I have a reference book that lists the Top40 songs on the Billboard Rock charts from 1955 to 2000. Songs that made the Hot 100 but not top 40 are not there. Country chart songs aren't in there. AOR songs aren't there. R&B chart songs aren't there. Hit songs from the 21st century aren't there. Easy Listening chart songs aren't there. And yet there are over 10,000 titles in there (along with chart positions and other data).

You would need hundreds of thousands of songs in the database, and every year when new hit songs come out, the database should get revised.

There is more than one right way to do most anything. For others this may work. For me trying to (1) enter songs not in the database (2) browse different styles for chord progressions of other popular songs to write new melodies to and (3) trying to browse styles for a song I might write myself the new style picker window doesn't work nearly as good as the old one.

Any more hints to make it work for me would be appreciated though. Like I said, I'm really trying to bond with it and perhaps there is a secret I just don't know yet.

Notes

I'm having trouble understanding Andrew's statement:

"In fact I wouldn't think Mr P.C. should go there as an example for that style."

That is, he's saying, I think, that Mr P.C. should not be listed as an Example for the _GYPSYJF style. If that's the case, then why does that style show up at the top of the list as the "best" style to use?

Is the StylePicker saying, "this is the best style for that song, but it's not so good that we would use it as an 'example' of the song?"

I must be missing something here <grin>.
Someone please enlighten me.

LLOYD S

"Mr. P.C." should be a bop style with light drums, walking bass on both the A and B substyle, and McCoy Tyner style piano.

So far less than half the songs in "The Real Book Sixth Edition" have shown up in the suggestion box, and the majority of the ones that do appear there are inappropriate.

Perhaps as time goes on, and PG Music hears our difficulties with the new way, they will refine it to make it better for me and others that work like me.

PG has always been responsive to their customers needs. It's one reason why they are still here.

My suggestion to PG Music is to buy an off the shelf Fake Book, and make a Fake Disk out of it. This will let you know the frustrations we have.

My partner Leilani, who does most of the fake books reverted to an earlier version of BiaB. And she knows the styles so well, she heard a YouTube video yesterday and said, "Bob, come listen, they used one of your Polka styles" and sure enough, they did.

Notes

Yes... but the problem you are describing is not solved by the old StylePicker - At least the new StylePicker has the *potential* to solve it, by us periodically revising and expanding the song title and style databases. In what way would the old StylePicker have made it easier to find a suitable style for Mr P.C.?

The filters in the old stylepicker are identical to the new one, though they are much harder to access in the Old one. The issue here Bob is the tempo of 256, which you've Input as a filter which eliminates almost all styles. Try a lower tempo, like 190 or no tempo at all as a filter. Then you'll see the list you want.

Here is a case that illustrates the flexibility of the new stylepicker vs the old one. If you input an out of range tempo, the old stylepicker would just show you those 3 styles. The new one will show the 3 styles, but if you select show similar styles, it will, after showing styles that perfectly match, then show styles that are the next best match which will be the ones you're looking for (ones that don't match your tempo filter).

I suspect that you're not using a filter in the old stylepicker, because it's time consuming to use. Is that the case?

Note that you can sort the list with MIDI styles at the top, bottom or not present at all, and same for real styles. This is a preference which sticks between sessions. This is not possible for the old Stylepicker, but was a request from users who preferred MIDI or Realstyles.

))) Quote: Unless every song ever written is in the database, the search for song title is worthless.

There are about 10,000 songs in the database, and, no, that isn't every song ever written. Nor does it need to be. The idea is to input a real popular song, I'm sorry that "Mr PC" didn't make it, but keep in mind that we're adding to the database. Imdb.com doesn't have every movie ever written, and it's not "worthless".

Moreover, you don't need to use the search for titles feature to find a style. If I was looking for a jazz swing style, I would set the filters to jazz, swing, 8th notes (no tempo filter). Then sort by tempo by clicking on the column for tempo (you can't do this in the old stylepicker by the way, as no column sort exists). You'll now have jazz swing styles sorted by tempo, with Realstyles at the top, then MIDI styles (unless you have set to show MIDI styles first as in the message above this.

If I select show similar styles, it shows too many inappropriate styles in different genres (country, rock, folk, Celtic, etc.) and even Ev8 and Ev16 which are in no way similar to a Sw8 style.

And as soon as I select one, it changes the tempo of the song and in the plau using chordsheet dialog.

And more importantly, I've lost the ability to browse by genres. Perhaps I just don't know how to browse with the new stylepicker.

What am I missing here?

I know a lot of people love the new stylepicker, so I must be doing something wrong - doing something the hard way - or missing something obvious.

Notes

Quote: "I'm sorry that "Mr PC" didn't make it"

Actually, "Mr PC" DID INDEED make it.
When you enter "Mr. P.C." (without quotes) into the "Type in a familiar song title..." box, you get, in the results box...

Mr. P.C. [John Coltrane] [Jazz] [Bebop][4/4 sw8 255]

If Notes could have clicked on that entry, clicked on Enter (with or without the "Include Similar" box checked), and got a suitable style from the resulting list, he likely would have been quite happy with the new StylePicker.

So to me, there's a breakdown somewhere.
Either the attributes that have been assigned in the StylePicker for Mr PC are inaccurate, or what Notes is after is a different version of the song or the StylePicker needs further refinement.

LLOYD S

I've done Mr. PC for years. It's in the book of pretty every local jazz group I've played with.

For me, I would never bother searching for a style for straight ahead bop tunes because at that tempo there's only one or two RT's for each instrument that will work. Start with the Neil Swainson 190 bass and the Clark Terry drums.

There is no piano track for that tempo. The fastest one is the Miles Black at 140 and that will not work at 240. This is one glaring problem with all the jazz tracks. Few burners. Therefore all uptempo bop tunes are going to sound exactly the same with the RT's.

As for song titles, I got nothing with Mr PC either but I did with Be Bop, Impressions, Oleo and I'm sure many other. They all turn up the same two styles, Jazz BeBob Quartet and Jazz Bop Bass and Drums, that's it. I agree those two are in the middle of a list of dixieland, western swing and others and that looks weird. Peter posted some suggestions I'll mess around with but just simply opening the Picker and clicking on the combo boxes sure doesn't limit the list to jazz only even though it seems like it should.

My point here Notes is I'm surprised at your problem. I would think with you're experience you would have all of these RT's memorized by now. I know I do for a lot of them. I don't need styles for RT's because to me they're merely suggestions anyway. You're free to sub in any RT you want on any track.

All I do is put in the chords and if a song title comes up in the StylePicker I'll start with it but otherwise I'll pick any style that I know is even barely in the ballpark and go from there. Start subbing RT's and find something. Once you do save it as a user style with your own memo as to what songs it could work with.

I don' need no steenking Stylepicker...

Bob

))) And as soon as I select one, it changes the tempo of the song and in the plau using chordsheet dialog.


As I stated above, that's an option that you can turn off in the options dialog in the stylepicker. Turn it off, and the tempo won't change.

Mr. PC made it, and gave me gypsy and other inappropriate styles.


and from another post


Bob (Jazzmammal), I've used my own MIDI bop styles for years, because I like them better. I even have a bop with walking bass in the A and B. But I'm trying to do "The Real Book" with only "Real Styles". Perhaps that was a bad idea.

There are indeed some PG Music styles that are my favorites, and quite a few I wish I wrote myself, so I don't mean to dis PG Music in any way at all. Many of PG Music's styles are on my personal "A list" but for bop they are not.

I'm still having problems with browsing. And now that I've been addressing the problems in more depth, they have gotten worse for me.

In hindsight I think this may not be the appropriate place to be discussing this. The thread has taken a turn to where it is uncomfortable for me.

So Peter, I hope you don't mind, I'm going to e-mail you directly with my problems.

Notes

As said before: you can go to c:\bb\bb2015_backup and make a copy of the bbw.exe and rename it bbw 2015.exe copy it to c:\bb right click on it and create shortcut, now go to preferences and check run multiple instances - just above the OK button - you can run the old picker 2015 alongside 2016
just copy the name you like then paste it in 2016

Hope this helps

Thanks Pipeline.

I thought I remembered something like that, but a search didn't find it (my search terms turned up too much clutter).

So if I run two instances, and I choose the style on the old version of BiaB, will it insert the style into the new version?

Notes

as shown it the pic just copy the name you like then paste it in the 2016
Filter String

Thanks.

Bob

Getting back to the Style Picker - I also prefer the "OLD" Style Picker and also plead for a "Toggle" switch between the two versions
I was making a "Hybrid" style and I noticed that the "OLD" Style Picker came up there when you rebuilt the styles
So surely as it is there it must be able to be as an alternative
jazzman

Definitely totally agree with Jazzman!!
Cecil

The new style picker also doesn't display non-BiaB styles properly (Norton Styles, Hawkesford Styles, Mayrent Styles, Fine Tuned styles, and any styles you might make yourself, including hybrids).

Peter says he's working on a fix for that though, but even if he accomplishes that, I prefer the old one.

A toggle would be nice. They we could choose and use whatever works best for the situation we have at hand.

The new style picker does have some merit, there are a few things I like about it, but for just browsing styles, I still definitely prefer the old style picker window.

Insights and incites by Notes

+1 for a toggle between the two

I'm mostly okay with the new Style Picker, but want to be able to do my own categorizations (what we used to do with the LS3 files), as well as modify the comments associated with each style.

I would also like to see a common look and feel between all the various BIAB "pickers" (Styles, RealTracks, RealDrums, SuoerMIDI tracks, Songs, etc).

Not only in BIAB but also in RealBand.

Yes, I prefer the older style picker, I'd like to see the option of using either, a bit like the old mixer which I still use for a few things.

The problem they have is the old picker reads an error prone data.txt file that's not updated, where as the new one uses a better database system.

I suppose that could be fixed.

Another vote for the old style picker!

In the menu code there is an "Old Stylepicker" I changed it to that but it still brings up the new style picker.
You will just have to tell them the new options you need the new picker to do.


object StylePopup: TPopupMenu
AutoPopup = True
Left = 63
Top = 648
object Stylepicker1: TMenuItem
Tag = 401
Caption = 'OLD StylePicker (browse all styles)...'
OnClick = Stylepicker1Click
end
object NewStylepickerbeta1: TMenuItem
Tag = 408
Caption = 'StylePicker...'
OnClick = NewStylepickerbeta1Click
end

I actually do like the new StylePicker but I also see lots of room for improvements.

I don't have that choice (OLD StylePicker ...)

I'm downloading the newest patch right now. Perhaps it's there???

Insights and incites by Notes

I just upgraded to the newest version and there is no "Old StylePicker" selection. How did you do that?

Notes

It is in the delphi code but not active so I changed it to show - I will have another look at it later and see if I can get it to bring up the Old TStylePickerDialog instead of the new TStylzDialog.

I hope this is possible

As I said previously if you try to make a Hybrid style and update the styles in there it comes up with the Old Style Picker - so it is there somewhere
jazzman

"As I said previously if you try to make a Hybrid style and update the styles in there it comes up with the Old Style Picker..."

I went to File - StyleMaker - Make Hybrid style - .STY
that bought up the old Stylepicker, but on a re-build it don't find the new styles.
Old Stylepicker 4,484
New Stylepicker 4,901

They might update the Make Hybrid style to bring up the new stylepicker window.
But if you still want to use the old picker you can make up a hotkey with AutoHotKey to bring it up - copy the style name - open the new stylepicker - paste it in.

This will bring up the old Stylepicker quickly,
just extract the folder and run AutoHotKey64 or 32,
Ctrl+Win+S will bring it up, find the style you need,
copy the name from top right in Memo eg. "ROADHOG1.STY"
then paste in the new Stylepicker top left in "Filter String".

You can change the hotkey to suite:

;Old Stylepicker
~^#s:: ;This is the Hotkey Ctrl + Win + S

# Win (Windows logo key)
! Alt
^ Control
+ Shift


AutoHotKey_Old_Sylepicker.zip

Create a shortcut and move it to the Startup Menu to start with Windows,
just drag the shortcut to the Start Menu - All Programs - Startup.

To edit the hotkeys right click on the "H" running in the system tray - Edit - Save - right click "H" Reload.

In some ways I like the new style picker and agree that it could be improved
The reason I also like the old picker is not only that I have used it from the beginning but I can quickly find the style I require without setting up several filters before I can whittle down the total styles
each time I want pop-classical-jazz etc
Evem then on the new style picker it throws up styles that are only remotely in the catagory I need
I am, of course, getting used to it but it not as efficient for me
jazzman

another famous qoute - "just because its new, does not mean its better"

The biggest problems I see with the new style picker are:

1) Not nearly as easy to browse the styles

2) Non-PG user styles don't show up well, not the ones you write nor aftermarket styles like mine (Norton), Hawkesford, Mayrent, Fine Tuned, and so on.

Peter Gannon says he is working on the second item, so when they figure it out, that will no longer be an issue (I can't wait, I get complaints almost weekly) and hopefully the staff at PG will also figure out how to browse easier.

There are some things I like about the new picker though. While it makes it more difficult to browse, there are some filters that make it easier to search. Hopefully they will also extend to the aftermarket styles when PG implements them into the mix.

Insights and incites by Notes+

Bob,

If you put keywords in the memos of your aftermarket styles (.ls3 files) like the word Norton, then anyone typing Norton as a filter would see only your styles.

They would need to rebuild the styles list for this to take effect, and they should also first erase c:\bb\data\user_stylz.bin before running BBW and doing a rebuild. That way the new memos would show up.

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as it stands now, people can already display only Norton styles: Select to display 'user styles' only. And then type # in the filter to see your Norton styles, since you name them all with # in the style name.

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Once they see a list of your Norton styles only, they can do all kinds of things not possible with the old stylepicker, such as:
- sorting the list by any column, forward or reverse
- seeing the list in discreet columns to begin with
- changing size of window
- change font size
- experience much faster operations as the list contents change as you type in a filter,
- rebuild the list up to 10X faster, since the styles don't need to get reloaded when rebuilding.
- select a filter such as a desired tempo, or feel, and this automatically does an "intelligent sort" that sorts from best to worst, for example sorted by closest to the tempo that you want, and is a swing 8ths style, and is country.
- type in a song title of a familiar song and seeing which Norton styles match it, sorted by best fit to worst.
- control the order that Realstyles are displayed compared to MIDI. For example, maybe you only want to see MIDI styles, or want to see them listed first, ahead of Realstyles. Or Vice versa (Realstyles only or Realstykes first).

The old stylepicker cannot do any of the above items.


It would be a major regression to lose all of those features (by reverting to the old stylepicker), when you can already accomplish what you want as described above.

A big +1 for the New style picker, at first glace for any new user it looks simplified compared to the old one.

Musiclover

Thanks Peter!

Bob

+1 There is still room for improvements, but the new (flexible, searchable) style picker is, IMO, way better than the old one.

Peter,

Regarding putting Norton in the ls3 file, where should it go, in the Style Description (my guess).

There is already a # sign on all my style names, wouldn't that work as well?

And one more thing, how will it sort my styles into categories like rock, jazz, country, etc.?

Thanks,
Bob

The user simply typing # would filter and find you styles, but it would also find any other style with a '#' in the memo or the RealDrums or Realtracks names,

There are a number of RealDrums that have # in the name, and a few of our MIDI styles have # in the memo. So the user would need to type # and only show user styles ( other menu - user styles ) . Otherwise he'd see a bunch of our styles mixed with your styles.

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I'd recommend putting Norton into all of your ls3 files memos. That should be a simple search and replace on an ls3 file that would only take a few seconds for the whole file. Replace * with Norton* would add Norton to all of the memos, because * is the delimiter for the end of the memos.

If you wanted to put Norton2 Norton3 etc, then those search terms would work too. For example, Norton would find them all, and Norton1 would find a subset of them any search terms would work, and it includes partial text too.

Thanks again.

Bob

Bob,

If you do update your ls3's - don't forget previous Norton customers that only have "old" ls3's

Larry

Ditto what Larry said.

I'll post the update at http://www.nortonmusic.com/support.html

Right now I'm stymied. Since I've written my last bunch of styles, I've gotten new computers and a new version of BiaB.

I remember that there used to be a "wizard" for making .ls3 files, where you just fill in the blanks, but I can't find it. Arrrrrggggghhhh (I hate when that happens) so I guess I'm going to have to do it in notepad.

Addition: I found it on an older version of BiaB (Thanks to BiaB chat). Now it's time to get to work

Bob

Revising the Norton .ls3 files to put the name Norton in them (instead of just in the category) is turning out to be a huge project. So many of my .ls3 file lines ran close to or up to the 250 character limit that simply changing the * to a * Norton screwed everything up. Fortunately I kept a copy of the old version.

So I have to go through every line of every .ls3, change and make sure it doesn't exceed the limit.

I'm about 3/4 through the first .ls3, giving it all the time I can, and even neglecting some other things that I should be more diligent about.

To add to that, my shopping cart has been purchased by Capital One so I am being forced to change the cgi code on hundreds of projects, and that causes problems with the new cart - back to development, back to tech help, back to me, try this instead. Fortunately they are keeping me on the old cart until all the problems have been solved.

The net result is this: Don't hold your breath waiting for the new .ls3 files that will let you put Norton in the 2016 StylePicker filter box. You'll have to use # for now and it may take a month or so for me to redo and test all the new .ls3 files.

But then, I won't have any time to be bored (Not that I know what boredom is).

Notes

Bob,

Please email the ls3 files to me, we can format the text files for you by adding the Norton. If needed, we will edit the memos to make them shorter. We've done lots of this type of thing, and have text editors that show line size easily etc.

So we're happy to do this, especially as you've helped us so much over the years.

Thank you so much for the very kind and generous offer Peter.

I'm editing them as I go, making them more consistent with each other, and getting rid of a lot of information that is on the earlier ls3 lines that is now redundant (like tempo). It was in the early ls3 files before you made that improvement.

It's a lot of work, but all in all it will make things better.

Once again, I appreciate the offer.

Take care,
Bob