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#353459 - 06/10/16 10:54 PM [RealBand] direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2??
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Hello! Is it possible to get stereo in direct monitoring a digital piano thru a scarlett 2i2?
I´ve read 2i2 only gives mono when direct mon. but maybe someone knows a way around this, messing around with some software/driver perhaps??
Any ideas are welcome! As well as suggesting other usb interfaces in the same pricerange that you know can monitor in stereo...

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#353461 - 06/10/16 11:03 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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I'm not sure if the 2i2 can do what you ask, but I believe that the M-Audio M-Track device does allow stereo monitoring. It's a reasonably inexpensive unit.

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#353565 - 06/12/16 05:26 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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Using both of the inputs/outputs and panning left and right should provide stereo monitoring.

See manual here (page 11)
https://d3se566zfvnmhf.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/focusrite/downloads/7317/scarlett-2i2-user-guide-v2.pdf
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#354049 - 06/15/16 04:19 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: rharv]
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Originally Posted By: rharv
Using both of the inputs/outputs and panning left and right should provide stereo monitoring.

See manual here (page 11)
https://d3se566zfvnmhf.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/focusrite/downloads/7317/scarlett-2i2-user-guide-v2.pdf


Cant find anything about panning or stereo monitoring in that manual page.
So how exactly should I pan? You mean in a DAW? You know theres no way to pan in the actual box...

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#354079 - 06/16/16 05:38 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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Originally Posted By: Leandrusi
Hello! Is it possible to get stereo in direct monitoring a digital piano thru a scarlett 2i2?
I´ve read 2i2 only gives mono when direct mon. but maybe someone knows a way around this, messing around with some software/driver perhaps??
Any ideas are welcome! As well as suggesting other usb interfaces in the same pricerange that you know can monitor in stereo...

THANKS IN ADVANCE!


Focusrite is a good brand. Nice quality and you should easily be able to monitor in stereo. Since the interface has 2 channels, it can and does monitor in stereo. Be sure to use the ASIO driver with the 2i2.

Most of the midi based functions are done in a DAW or in the various music software. Some software packages are more capable than others, so be aware of that upfront.

In Sonar, it's really easy to hear what you're doing in real time. I have my Focusrite set up as my default soundcard. It's my only sound card in the custom built DAW.

All of the Focusrite interfaces should be able to do this. IN fact, if you set the Focusrite up properly, and let it be the DEFAULT sound card, you don't even need any software running for it to echo the audio inputs back to your speakers in real time. To get a digital keyboard to echo back, you will likely need to either run it's audio outputs into the audio inputs in the Focusrite or have a DAW running where you have a sampler set up and running from the keyboard's midi input.

To get stereo monitoring, you must have a stereo source. For audio on the 2i2, that means having a left and a right output from the keyboard and putting one into the 2i2's right channel and the other into the left channel. Waaa laa.... 2 channels and the result is stereo.

With midi, I'm not sure if you can even get stereo from it. I've always dealt with midi as mono. I've never tried to get stereo from midi and don't know if it's possible. It's one of those things I never tried to do of had a need to do. Maybe someone else who works alot with midi can elaborate further on midi and stereo.
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#354139 - 06/16/16 04:24 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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MIDI does not have MONO Stereo, it's simply data. The sound source (synth) performs the stereo work.

To OP: I was just pointing out it will sound mono if the two outputs are not panned on their way to the listening device.
The 2i2 headphone out may combine L/R to sound MONO (both centered), but the outputs will remain 2 separate channels (L/R).

It has no mixer applet and may default to using either input panned center, instead of L/R. If it has no control to pan these signals to the headphones (ala mixer applet) it may have both centered.

If I had to make a choice in this situation I'd probably prefer it as is so when recording a single channel (like a vocal mic) it isn't forced to the left side.


Edited by rharv (06/16/16 04:30 PM)
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#354859 - 06/22/16 09:16 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Hi

I'm not sure if the 2i2 can do what you ask, but I believe that the M-Audio M-Track device does allow stereo monitoring. It's a reasonably inexpensive unit.

BTW: Welcome to the forums.



Thank you!
Im not sure about getting a Mtrack instead of 2i2, even if it has stereo monitoring I dont think its a good deal..

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#354860 - 06/22/16 09:25 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Focusrite is a good brand. Nice quality and you should easily be able to monitor in stereo. Since the interface has 2 channels, it can and does monitor in stereo. Be sure to use the ASIO driver with the 2i2.


Believe me, it does not. Not by default at least...


Quote:

To get stereo monitoring, you must have a stereo source. For audio on the 2i2, that means having a left and a right output from the keyboard and putting one into the 2i2's right channel and the other into the left channel. Waaa laa.... 2 channels and the result is stereo.


R&L of my dig.piano are plugged into R&L of 2i2, it records amazingly in stereo, but the direct monitoring is still MONO.
Thats normal behavior on this gear, according to THIS review https://simplehomerecording.com/2014/09/25/focusrite-scarlett-2i2-review/ (read the "output" part) I quote "...small complaint is that the direct monitoring is always in mono."

So, anyone know a way to get stereo monitoring? may be some soft or driver?

MAY BE SOMEONE OWNS A 2i2 AND CAN GIVE SOME HINT?


Edited by Leandrusi (06/22/16 09:31 PM)

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#354861 - 06/22/16 10:36 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: rharv]
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To OP: I was just pointing out it will sound mono if the two outputs are not panned on their way to the listening device.
The 2i2 headphone out may combine L/R to sound MONO (both centered), but the outputs will remain 2 separate channels (L/R).

It has no mixer applet and may default to using either input panned center, instead of L/R. If it has no control to pan these signals to the headphones (ala mixer applet) it may have both centered.

If I had to make a choice in this situation I'd probably prefer it as is so when recording a single channel (like a vocal mic) it isn't forced to the left side.


Youre right, maybe some applet allows me to mix and pan the channels, I got it used and got no applet, just downloaded the drivers. Ill check if theres some app...


Edited by Leandrusi (06/22/16 10:36 PM)

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#354892 - 06/23/16 05:43 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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Believe me, it does not. Not by default at least...

To get stereo monitoring, you must have a stereo source.

So, anyone know a way to get stereo monitoring? may be some soft or driver?

MAY BE SOMEONE OWNS A 2i2 AND CAN GIVE SOME HINT?


So..... you mean to tell me that if you plug in a set of stereo headphones, and listen to the playback or the realtime feed, all you can get is MONO?

That would be the first interface I've ever seen that doesn't provide monitoring in stereo, pr more accurately, monitoring of both mono channels at the same time. That would be totally useless and I doubt that Focusrite would do that. Since there are 2 channels in and 2 channels out.... it can handle stereo, and the headphone jack WILL provide a stereo output.

What you have to understand is the interface has 2 mono channels. They set side by side and act as a Left and a Right channel. That said, I use a Focusrite Saffire interface with the same setup. Both inputs are capable of being panned left or right by the DAW. So my Left Saffire input, which is mono, can be panned left, right, or centered. To get stereo, I have to record 2 tracks and pan them in such a manner as to get stereo.

If I want true stereo, I use 2 inputs at the same time (2 mics) or a true stereo source, and pan them center to hard opposite in the DAW.

Remember that the interface is simply a sound card with 2 channels. Set it up wrong and you get mono. Set it up correctly and you get stereo assuming you have stereo source material.

ALSO: My Saffire Focusrite came with a software control panel. This piece of software allows me to set up a number of parameters for the interface. It sets the default input levels and output levels, certain FX levels and I don't recall exactly, but I think it also controls channel assignments and panning presets. If that software control panel is not set up properly, it can be the cause of endless frustration.
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#354899 - 06/23/16 05:57 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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You need to login to your Focusrite account, https://us.focusrite.com, go to the Downloads section and download and install the software mixer, Scarlett MixControl.

When you run that, you can monitor with the mixer and hard pan your keyboard left and right. I believe by default, the panning on all the mixer channels is centered which would give you a mono monitor.
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#354966 - 06/23/16 04:01 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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The focusrite mixer software does not work with the 2i2.
Well documented.
And I believe the inputs are indeed panned center to the headphones.

However input 1 does go to output 1 and input 2 goes to output2 so it is possible to get stereo.
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#356317 - 07/06/16 12:24 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Guitarhacker]
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So..... you mean to tell me that if you plug in a set of stereo headphones, and listen to the playback or the realtime feed, all you can get is MONO?

That would be the first interface I've ever seen that doesn't provide monitoring in stereo, pr more accurately, monitoring of both mono channels at the same time. That would be totally useless and I doubt that Focusrite would do that. Since there are 2 channels in and 2 channels out.... it can handle stereo, and the headphone jack WILL provide a stereo output.


Well I really dont know about the headphones output, but believe it or not the MAIN LEFT&RIGHT OUTPUTS are certainly NON STEREO (during direct monitor of a stereo digital piano at least), thats my main problem with the 2i2 and the reason of my post.
Yes I agree Focusrite is a remarkable good brand, but this product of their doesnt monitor in stereo and doesnt have a digital mixer applet...


Edited by Leandrusi (07/06/16 12:28 AM)

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#356319 - 07/06/16 12:31 AM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: rharv]
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Originally Posted By: rharv
The focusrite mixer software does not work with the 2i2.
Well documented.
And I believe the inputs are indeed panned center to the headphones.

However input 1 does go to output 1 and input 2 goes to output2 so it is possible to get stereo.


Yes its possible to get stereo, but only in recording situation.
In direct monitor mode, you only get MONO frown

Anyone know a way to get live monitoring in stereo?

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#364049 - 09/05/16 03:34 PM [RealBand] Re: direct monitoring in stereo with focusrite scarlett 2i2?? [Re: Leandrusi]
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@Leandrusi,
If it helps, with this interface I think you can only direct monitor the inputs as mono. The only possibility to stereo monitor is through the DAW. If you check out the Scarlett 2i4 you will see it has a little switch in the front panel (Mono - Stereo), that means this other interface has the stereo monitoring function. As I can deduct, this surely means the 2i2 doesn't have this function.
I imagine they do this for the following reason:
Imagine that you are recording two different instruments - each one with one channel (for example, a microphone and a guitar). If the direct monitoring is stereo by default, the user would mandatorily hear the microphone in his left ear, and the guitar in his right ear, or left and right speakers in that case. In the case of speakers this can become a bigger problem if the output is to a mono speaker system, as is my case.
As this is an economic interface, I'd say they decided not to implement the physical switch in order to reduce costs. This led them to decide whether doing stereo or mono by default. I think they did that more like a compatibility feature, trying to be effective at most situations.
I was looking for information about this feature of this interface (I'm considering buying it), and finally stepped by here, and I decided to share it in case that can help you or any others. Hope it helps.

bposfaci

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