If I remember right a line under a Piano RT (or any such RT) means there is underlying midi to the audio. How do I extract that midi track so I can work on it? Rgds Ian
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As it stands the Piano RT, beautiful as it is, is pretty rubbish stereo wise (sorry PG) for wide pan stereo spread so was hoping that the midi (if it was identical notes) could be so persuaded.
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I'm the case of piano, the Realtracks are recorded on a Yamaha Disklavier piano, so the MIDI should be an exact representation of what was played (within the limitations I'd the Disklavier technology). Sensors in the piano detect what notes were played and the precise velocities.
For other instruments like Guitar, MIDI pickups are used. That technology is less precise, because it has to deduce what frets were played by analyzing the analog audio input coming from the string. Using that as a performance would depend on many things, such as what samples you are using in the MIDI synth, and the accuracy of the MIDI recording in the first place, and the importance of effects like vibrato that weren't captured.
So the short answer is that using the MiDI track from the Realtracks (ie the Realchart) as a musical performance works great for pianos and keyboards, and "hit and miss" for other instruments.
That is a very thorough explanation on this topic. But not interiorly in line with my experience.
I have put in the time to transfer the midi associated with RT piano tracks over to my DAW for use with VSTs. The results were not favorable. So I suspect there is some other "nuance or factor" involved here. Maybe some work fine but other not so much...
I can tell you that moving the Supermidi Track Pianos over to my DAW was exactly the ticket I was looking for. Which is why I just spent the extra $$ to pick up the new supermidi tracks.
........ The results were not favorable. So I suspect there is some other "nuance or factor" involved here. Maybe some work fine but other not so much...
I'd guess the midi data are heavily quantized, in order to generate legible RealCharts.
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I can tell you that moving the Supermidi Track Pianos over to my DAW was exactly the ticket I was looking for. Which is why I just spent the extra $$ to pick up the new supermidi tracks.
........ The results were not favorable. So I suspect there is some other "nuance or factor" involved here. Maybe some work fine but other not so much...
I'd guess the midi data are heavily quantized, in order to generate legible RealCharts.
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I can tell you that moving the Supermidi Track Pianos over to my DAW was exactly the ticket I was looking for. Which is why I just spent the extra $$ to pick up the new supermidi tracks.
Good to know!
The quantization could be because the MIDI export was only 120 BPM while the actual recording was much higher BPM. Don't know for sure.
I have gotten very good results by bringing a piano RT into Sonar and changing it to MIDI via Melodyne Studio. No lost of resolution that way. YMMV
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I have gotten very good results by bringing a piano RT into Sonar and changing it to MIDI via Melodyne Studio. No lost of resolution that way. YMMV
Just to be clear. By using Melodyne you are actually converting the audio to midi in you DAW. In which case you are not using the midi track which comes with the RT.
I have gotten very good results by bringing a piano RT into Sonar and changing it to MIDI via Melodyne Studio. No lost of resolution that way. YMMV
Just to be clear. By using Melodyne you are actually converting the audio to midi in you DAW. In which case you are not using the midi track which comes with the RT.
Do I understand that correctly?
Yes you did.
I have only done it a few times but when I did the audio was almost perfectly transcribed in to MIDI. There was only a couple of notes that were off in each case.
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The midi attached to many RealTracks has been transcribed and may, or may not, be note-for-note perfect. The original intent behind RealTracks midi was to provide midi information for program use when showing notation, the guitar fretboard, the piano keyboard and so on.
Another user mentioned that much of the RealTracks midi does not contain any midi controller commands or CCs. It seems CC information contains much of the information needed to make a midi file have human playing nuances.
Additionally it seems that midi Super Tracks (abbreviated to MSTs by some forum users) do have CCs which is one of the reasons they sound so good.
So at least one user indicated he is solving how RealTracks midi sounds by editing the extracted midi files to add CCs.
We had a very enlightening and thorough discussion of this about 2 years ago right around this time in the off-topic forum.
Since that time I have increased my reliance on BIAB as a midi source and have found it very usable for my workflow. When time permits I plan on making a User Video to illustrate one-mans workflow specific to this point. I would not do that if I did not like the results which can be achieved. So for what it is worth, BIAB gets a thumbs up from me on this topic.
If there is other software out there that does this better, I likely have it already and using it with BIAB just makes both better.
Has anyone got finale or sibelius ? Try exporting the new guitar RealCharts to xml then Import to finale/sibelius then save to midi and see if you get the pitch bends. Let me know what you get and maybe upload the the original RC mid and the xml to midi . In Guitar Pro if I export to midi I get pitch bends. If I Import xml from Guitar Pro to RealBand I get the bends in the Tab notation but not in the midi track.
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For other instruments like Guitar, MIDI pickups are used. . . .and the importance of effects like vibrato that weren't captured.
then elsewhere the realcharts were done by hand.
I use the RealCharts as midi but you shouldn't have to add the articulations back in by hand.
If I record with my Roland pickup I get the wav and the midi and I get what I recorded, all the articulations. The Fishman TriplePlay is suppose to have the best tracking accuracy.
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