|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 266
Apprentice
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 266 |
When I use the BIAB audio track for recording (as opposed to exporting the song into a DAW) I don't know how to stop feedback of my voice coming through the headphones, so, as it is, I hear my voice naturally but I also hear it in the headphones. I want the singer to see the chord display on the computer screen so he can follow along, as the words are typed there. But I want the singer to hear all the tracks except his own voice as he sings and records. Is this bad technique?
Thanks.
Last edited by Marty Sorensen; 12/27/16 04:56 AM. Reason: Clarify.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353 |
Personally, I don't think it's a good way to do things. It's not the way it's done in the pro studios.
A singer has to hear themselves when they sing or they get off pitch pretty quickly. The singer should only hear his/her voice in the headphones in addition to the music. If they need to hear the natural voice, they can lift one of the cups a bit.
If you are recording a vocal, the assumption is that the room is quiet and the singer is getting everything through the cans, and with enough volume to hear everything cleanly.
If, however, you wanted to have the singer NOT hear his voice in the cans, In order to hear the reference music clearly in order to sing with natural voice for reference, the music also has to be in the room loud enough. The mic then picks it up as well as the voice, and you get into phase issues and comb filtering of the music becomes a very real issue. Not counting the possibility of actual feedback and low frequency rumble.
It's best to have the reference music and the singer's voice together in the cans and the room totally quiet except for the singer's voice. Even with this setup, it's not uncommon to get headphone bleed into the sensitive condenser mic that is generally only a few inches away from the cans.
Yeah, bad idea.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 40
Enthusiast
|
|
Enthusiast
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 40 |
I concur with Guitarhacker on this one. Having done quite a bit of vocal overdubbing in various studios over the years, I can say that you always want at least some of the vocal being tracked coming through in the headphone mix. Normally, that level might be lower relative to either the primary harmonic instrument(s) or lead vocal, if you happen to be recording harmonies. The question you might better be asking is how to adjust the mix for the vocalist for tracking. That's a fairly easy fix, as you simpy change the playback volume of each track to suit the vocalist's desires. It's a fairly simple thing. I hope this helps!
-Mark
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353 |
When I am recording a vocal, I want it to be the loudest thing in the mix I hear in the cans. I need to hear what I'm doing clearly.
If there are harmonies or leads, I will mute those tracks. If I'm recording a harmony, I will have the lead audible but at a lower level so that I have a reference to work against, but it's not the loudest one. My current vocal take is always the loudest thing in the mix.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 7,913 |
I always want a vocal I'm tracking in the cans along with a guide melody track of some kind.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 260
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 260 |
RS, any preferences for melody track instruments (that might not be used in the final mix, just for vocal guide)?
Last edited by Andy A - USA; 12/28/16 03:33 PM.
Andy
BIAB 2017 Ultra
Windows 8 and 10
Scarlet 18i8
Reaper and Mixpad
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 1,753 |
RS, any preferences for melody track instruments (that might not be used in the final mix, just for vocal guide)? I've used Oboe to good success. It seems to cut through the mix, sustain notes with no vibrato, and does not sound too much like my own voice. I record a dummy vocal track or several to get a good idea of how I might express the song. Then I simply use my iRig Keys 37 to record a midi melody that is similar, does not have to be exact. After digging through midi instruments I usually end up with Oboe, no portamento, no vibrato. It helps me keep better pitch as I record my keeper vocal tracks. I also put some reverb in my headphones. I use a Yamaha MG Mixer with digital FX. The audio output of my interface is connected to a stereo channel on the Yamaha MG mixer. My vocal mic goes through the front of my interface as the BIAB or DAW tracks are coming through via the USB connection. My headphones are connected to the hardware Yamaha MG Mixer, not directly to the interface. I simply mix in a little digital reverb so it's not so dry and it helps me stay on pitch. But not too much as I don't want it to make me think I sound better than I actually do.
Does the noise in your head bother me ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 9,353 |
As a reference I like to use:
Drums.... sure beats a metronome
Bass
Acoustic guitar or piano
Lead instrument for solo's so I know where they are. (sometimes not)
I want a simple reference to follow. I often mute everything else including other vocal tracks depending of course on what I'm in the process of recording.
It can vary from one song to the next. I have been known to use the full finished mix as a reference because I record the finished vocal tracks last. Up to that point I have a simple scratch vocal for a place holder.
You can find my music at: www.herbhartley.comAdd nothing that adds nothing to the music. You can make excuses or you can make progress but not both. The magic you are looking for is in the work you are avoiding.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,583
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 12,583 |
I also often use the oboe sound for the melody.
John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 266
Apprentice
|
|
OP
Apprentice
Joined: May 2016
Posts: 266 |
Thank you all. I'm just beginning so some things are beyond me, but I will study and practice.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 221
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Jul 2016
Posts: 221 |
Personally I like the song to be as complete as possible before doing the all important vocal. That's so that hopefully the dynamics of the vocal matches the song as it builds etc.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production
|
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 260
Apprentice
|
|
Apprentice
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 260 |
I can understand what you are saying, Matcham. I definitely hear a mismatch at times (all the time) when I change instruments just for vocal tracking; singing too softly, or too harshly. But, my hearing is crud-o-la, so I gotta have a crutch or take up jelly-making.
Oboe. Wow... I never would have thought. Great suggestion. I will definitely try that out. Thanks, JFord and Tobias!
And, thank you for the full description, Tobias. You sorta lost me right after dummy, but the reverb in the headphones may be something I can rig up. Often, I feel like the more clearly I hear my voice in the cans, the more I try to steer it, know what I'm saying? In real life I don't, but I do expect a little better for recording purposes. Maybe the reverb takes enough out of it that I could feel "real", like in the moment.
Herb, you are a pro. You don't count. You could whistle thru your toes and stay in key. Kidding aside, thank you for that. That's what I'm doing now, and it has proven to be the best set up so far; bass, a simple drum, more passion than a metronome but not all Keith Moon, and keys, sparse as reasonable to hear the melody but not walk all over my hearing.
You guys are the best. Thank you, Marty, for starting this thread so I could hijack it. You are the best, too!
Andy
BIAB 2017 Ultra
Windows 8 and 10
Scarlet 18i8
Reaper and Mixpad
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Happy Victoria Day! (Monday, May 20th)
We are celebrating Victoria Day on Monday, May 20th!
Our availability through this long weekend is:
Saturday, May 18: Closed
Sunday, May 19: Closed
Monday, May 22: 6am-6pm PT
www.pgmusic.com/contact.htm
Henry Clarke: Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function
User Video: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 German for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 für Windows Deutsch ist verfügbar!
Wir waren fleißig und haben über 50 neue Funktionen und eine erstaunliche Sammlung neuer Inhalte hinzugefügt, darunter 222 RealTracks, neue RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, abspielbare RealTracks Set 3, abspielbare RealDrums Set 2, zwei neue Sets von "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 und mehr!
Paket | Was ist Neu
Update Your PowerTracks Pro Audio 2024 Today!
The Newest RealBand 2024 Update is Here!
The newest RealBand 2024 Build 5 update is now available!
Download and install this to your RealBand 2024 for updated print options, streamlined loading and saving of .SGU & MGU (BB) files, and to add a number of program adjustments that address user-reported bugs and concerns.
This free update is available to all RealBand 2024 users. To learn more about this update and download it, head to www.pgmusic.com/support.realband.htm#20245
The Band-in-a-Box® Flash Drive Backup Option
Today (April 5) is National Flash Drive Day!
Did you know... not only can you download your Band-in-a-Box® Pro, MegaPAK, or PlusPAK purchase - you can also choose to add a flash drive backup copy with the installation files for only $15? It even comes with a Band-in-a-Box® keychain!
For the larger Band-in-a-Box® packages (UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, Audiophile Edition), the hard drive backup copy is available for only $25. This will include a preinstalled and ready to use program, along with your installation files.
Backup copies are offered during the checkout process on our website.
Already purchased your e-delivery version, and now you wish you had a backup copy? It's not too late! If your purchase was for the current version of Band-in-a-Box®, you can still reach out to our team directly to place your backup copy order!
Note: the Band-in-a-Box® keychain is only included with flash drive backup copies, and cannot be purchased separately.
Handy flash drive tip: Always try plugging in a USB device the wrong way first? If your flash drive (or other USB plug) doesn't have a symbol to indicate which way is up, look for the side with a seam on the metal connector (it only has a line across one side) - that's the side that either faces down or to the left, depending on your port placement.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums66
Topics81,810
Posts737,545
Members38,590
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean