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#393591 - 01/31/17 04:47 PM [Off-Topic] Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics?
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I'd like to hear examples of what other users have accomplished with Synsy. I feel that Peter implemented the feature, at least in part, to give voice to my music. I'd like to show my appreciation by singing a song to/for Peter.

Donny

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#393643 - 02/01/17 03:18 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Excellent idea Don, and absolutely very commendable.

My results with Synsy have been less than desirable, partly possibly due to the Japanese sounding phonemes that have been used.

More information on Synsy is available here

Of course, YMMV

Fellow forum fember David Cuny has also been developing SynSinger, a similar product and one you might explore also.


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#393655 - 02/01/17 05:16 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: VideoTrack]
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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Excellent idea Don, and absolutely very commendable.

My results with Synsy have been less than desirable, partly possibly due to the Japanese sounding phonemes that have been used.

More information on Synsy is available here

Of course, YMMV

Fellow forum fember David Cuny has also been developing SynSinger, a similar product and one you might explore also.



Ian,

Yes, I've been working with David Cuny.

Voice synthesis, especially singing, is in it's infancy. I'm hoping to get David connected to the engineering staff at Dynavox-Tobii who have developed the most realistic-sounding speaking voice that I've ever heard. It seems to me that singing voices would be a logical progression. I don't know if David was successful in contacting their R&D engineers.

Dynavox was recently acquired by a Japanese company, Tobii, so I'm anxious to see/hear what they do with the technology.

Another interesting technology is a voice bank (I've forgotten the name) where they take snippets of volunteer's speech then concatenate them and process the results through a Melodyn-type processor. That idea shows a great potential.

Donny

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#393747 - 02/01/17 12:46 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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I've done a couple songs using Sinsy - for example, Words Like Smoke.

The early BiaB support for Sinsy had a number of problems which might have turned people off from using it. For example, syllables had short rests between them, so words often were mispronounced. There was a bug which caused some notes to be exported as naturals instead of flats. I think these have both been corrected, although I've never gotten confirmation back from my bug reports.

I wish that the people working on Sinsy had used a native English speaker, because the /R/ and /L/ aren't very distinct. But the voices are very natural, and there are a number of YouTube videos showing off what's possible.
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#393752 - 02/01/17 01:12 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor
I'm hoping to get David connected to the engineering staff at Dynavox-Tobii who have developed the most realistic-sounding speaking voice that I've ever heard. It seems to me that singing voices would be a logical progression. I don't know if David was successful in contacting their R&D engineers.

Anyone who's familiar with voice synthesis won't have trouble finding out about Sinsy - there's a ton of information on the internet. Basically, it uses HMM (Hidden Markov Model) synthesis and then modifies it from spoken to sung speech.

The source for Sinsy has been released on SourceForge. Unfortunately, it's beyond my skill to build it, and they apparently only included a single Japanese voice.

Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor
Another interesting technology is a voice bank (I've forgotten the name) where they take snippets of volunteer's speech then concatenate them and process the results through a Melodyne-type processor. That idea shows a great potential.

I've heard demos that have spliced together segments of actual speech phonemes along with formant synthesized speech. The results take on a strong character of the original speaker.

Edit: I see on the Sinsy SourceForge discussion board from a couple weeks ago that they're planning on releasing the English version in the near future. Part of the issue seems to be that the English version was done in an ad-hoc manner.

They suggest that if you can't wait that long, you could do it yourself by modifying the source code. crazy


Edited by dcuny (02/01/17 03:48 PM)
Edit Reason: Additional information about English Sinsy
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#393773 - 02/01/17 03:25 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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David,

I believe the name of the project is VocalID (qv).

They are still in the process of gathering voice samples.

Donny

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#393820 - 02/01/17 07:00 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor

Another interesting technology is a voice bank (I've forgotten the name) where they take snippets of volunteer's speech then concatenate them and process the results through a Melodyn-type processor. That idea shows a great potential. Donny


Don,

I believe you maybe thinking of ++ Vocal ID ++. Another possibility is ++ Model Talker ++
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#393835 - 02/01/17 07:44 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Originally Posted By: Don Gaynor

Another interesting technology is a voice bank (I've forgotten the name) where they take snippets of volunteer's speech then concatenate them and process the results through a Melodyn-type processor. That idea shows a great potential. Donny


Don,

I believe you maybe thinking of ++ Vocal ID ++. Another possibility is ++ Model Talker ++

Charlie,

Yes, Vocal ID is the one I had in mind.

I am an honorary member but I've fallen behind in their progress. They have been working primarily on speech and not singing which seems a logical progression.

Thanks,

Donny

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#393858 - 02/01/17 11:57 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Hi Don, I have been working with Synsy for the last couple of days and my problem is that the entire vocal cuts out except for a faint "tsk" sound after every 5 or 6 bars. The phrases that do sound are quite clear although there is quite an "accent" to the words. I've downloaded a new version several times and it continues to cut out every few bars. I'm beginning to wonder if it is a problem with the track itself. I checked the Audio Edit and there are spaces where it shows almost no activity and then it will pick up again several bars later. Can't imagine what is causing this. Would you or any of your friends on here care to venture a guess of why this is happening or how to fix it?



Edited by vzudell (02/02/17 12:04 AM)
Edit Reason: added a phrase

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#393889 - 02/02/17 07:10 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Wonderful to hear from you, my friend.

Are you losing your beautiful voice so starting reliance on voice synthesis?

Singing voice as opposed to speaking voice is another world entirely. I just received a new Dynavox 15" Speech Synthesis Device that speaks perfectly. The problem is in making it sing.

I would really like to team David Cuny up with the R&D Engineers at Dynavox-Tobii.

I have an older Dynavox VMax (qv) that you are welcome to have for conversation purposes. Just nod your head and I'll ship it out.

You may enjoy learning that Illinois State University's Dr Kim McCord has honored me by establishing The Don Gaynor Special Needs Music Department. I'm thrilled. Unfortunately, Professor McCord is being forced into early retirement due to serious family health issues and the University has no plans to continue her program, the top-rated such program in the nation.

Again, it's awesome hearing from you.

Appropriate affection.

Donny

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#393902 - 02/02/17 09:27 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Sorry - I thought I was in PM mode. ^^^

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#393911 - 02/02/17 11:02 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Yes, Don, I really have no voice quality anymore. I believe it may be a thyroid issue. No trouble speaking just the hoarseness that keeps me from a good vocal quality.
I am finding it more and more difficult to learn to use these new technical advances so though I appreciate your offer of the Dynavox, I fear that it wouldn't be much use to me and perhaps someone else could make better use of it than I. I haven't even mastered all the things available to me in BIAB. There is just so much to learn and absorb so it can be put to use but I'm working on it as time allows.

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#393915 - 02/02/17 11:17 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Originally Posted By: vzudell
Would you or any of your friends on here care to venture a guess of why this is happening or how to fix it?

I'd be happy to have a look at it. Could you send the Sound.XML file that BiaB generates? If you installed BiaB on your C: drive, You should be able to find the file here:

C:\bb\data\SRequest\Sound.XML

If not, you can find it by going into BIAB, choosing Lyrics from the menu, and selecting Vocal Synth-Manual Mode... from the dropdown.

BiaB will display a dialog box with the following message:

C:\bb\data\SRequest\Sound.XML is now generated

This indicates where the file is located.

My own voice synthesis program has a few timing bugs I'm still struggling to track down. The voice quality is OK, but it's hard to understand at fast tempos, and is a lot more synthetic than Sinsy.

But if you're interested in trying it out, let me know. The primary voice is male, but I've got the option for a female voice. Here's an example of what it sounds like: synSinger Female Voice Demo. Obviously, the female voice needs more work.
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#393949 - 02/02/17 02:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Originally Posted By: vzudell
Yes, Don, I really have no voice quality anymore. I believe it may be a thyroid issue. No trouble speaking just the hoarseness that keeps me from a good vocal quality.
I am finding it more and more difficult to learn to use these new technical advances so though I appreciate your offer of the Dynavox, I fear that it wouldn't be much use to me and perhaps someone else could make better use of it than I. I haven't even mastered all the things available to me in BIAB. There is just so much to learn and absorb so it can be put to use but I'm working on it as time allows.

Val,

Actually, Dynavox is not very technical - it speaks what you type into it's touch-screen keyboard. Common phrases are pre-programmed and assigned to hot keys. Literally hundreds of common phrases make typing virtually unnecessary.

Also, it's not a toy. It's a full blown Windows 7 computer with WIFI and a fairly decent audio amplifier.

I would be happy to give it to you. It's just gathering dust because I have three. I will have to locate the charger/adapter though.

I'm told that my new 15" cost $15K so the VA is taking excellent care of your old Irish friend.

Donny

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#393952 - 02/02/17 02:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Hi Dcuny
Oh I tried it a couple of times but I didnt think you could get it as good as that, words like smoke is really nice song.If you take away the japanese sound its very good.
Hugh

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#394019 - 02/02/17 10:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: dcuny]
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Thanks for responding to my post and for your offer to take a look at my problem. I have just spent the whole day re-downloading all my BIAB files to the C drive, hoping this may make a difference. I had been using the hard drive version where I first experienced the problem so I dug out my back up copy and tried it on that, thinking perhaps some files had become corrupted on the original hard drive version. But It did the same thing with my back up copy so I have been re-downloading everything and putting it in my C drive and when I get that finished, I'll try Synsy again. If that hasn't solved the problem, I will get back to you and send that file that you needed. Thanks again for offering to help.
I did go and listen to the female voice in your It's not bad but I use a male vocal for a lot of my songs so I would be more interested in hearing the male voice. I'm wondering if maybe some malware got into my computer when last week one of those scams for computer repair came up on my screen and locked my computer and I had to just shut it down from the task manager. It messed with the files in the boot sector and I had to use the restore and repair to get it back up and running.

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#394020 - 02/02/17 10:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Don, I want to thank you again for your offer of the Dynavox. I became interested when I learned that it was Windows 7, because that is what I'm familiar with. I tried Windows 10 and did not like it at all. If you can wait for about 3 months before you send it I will then have a place to put it where I could use it. We hope to add another room onto our apartment this spring. Hubby has been drawing up plans because we are just so "stuffed" into our tiny apartment since we converted my (computer room, music room, office) into a room for our little great grand daughter and moved everything into our already overflowing bedroom. One can hardly move around to find everything. That will give you some time to find the adapter/charger too! Thanks again!
____Val

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#394022 - 02/03/17 12:16 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Originally Posted By: vzudell
I did go and listen to the female voice in your It's not bad but I use a male vocal for a lot of my songs so I would be more interested in hearing the male voice.

Here's a link to the male voice: Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star #16.
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#394042 - 02/03/17 05:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: vzudell]
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Originally Posted By: vzudell
Don, I want to thank you again for your offer of the Dynavox. I became interested when I learned that it was Windows 7, because that is what I'm familiar with. I tried Windows 10 and did not like it at all. If you can wait for about 3 months before you send it I will then have a place to put it where I could use it. We hope to add another room onto our apartment this spring. Hubby has been drawing up plans because we are just so "stuffed" into our tiny apartment since we converted my (computer room, music room, office) into a room for our little great grand daughter and moved everything into our already overflowing bedroom. One can hardly move around to find everything. That will give you some time to find the adapter/charger too! Thanks again!
____Val

Dear Val,

My brief description doesn't do the Dynavox V-Max justice. It can be configured for hands-free Eye Tracking (with a separate accessory). It has WIFI for built-in internet access. I will also include a WIFI Range Extender so you can use it outdoors (within line of sight). It has a scratch resistant touch screen and 2 extra USB Ports for other accessories such as a WIFI or Bluetooth wireless keyboard.

Here is a picture and complete details.

http://www.dynavoxtech.com/products/vmaxplus/specs/

There is an 1800 page Owners' Manual pre-loaded on it's hard drive.

Don

PS: I should mention - It's CPU (Intel Adam) is NOT sufficiently robust to run BIAB.


Edited by Don Gaynor (02/03/17 06:06 AM)

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#394188 - 02/03/17 11:15 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Has anyone used Synsy to synthesize voice to follow the lyrics? [Re: Don Gaynor]
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Thanks Don for sending that link! I've been checking it out and I see that there are two ways to order it so that you can do more than just the "speech" on it. So is this one standard or dedicated? I'm thinking that the standard would allow for a game of Solitaire now and then, Am I correct? I think I should send you a request on Facebook to continue our conversations. OK? Been working on downloading BIAB files to my C: drive so then I can try the Sensy again. I discovered today that my computer had been invaded by malicious code that was not caught by my Anti-virus so I changed my antivirus to Kaspersky today and it immediately caught it in the first 5 minutes of the scan! Now I can go back to work.

Val

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