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I just got a new 500mb internal drive and a 1TB external drive and I am going to move my BIAB from the 80GB USB drive to the 500GB internal drive (just use the 1 TB drive for backups).
Should I uninstall BIAB/RB first from the C:\ drive and then do a "new" install?
Or just point me towards the any installation help files -- I can't seem to find any!
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You should be able to just copy the entire BIAB folder to the new drive. Make sure the BIAB icon you click on to open BIAB is set to point to the new directory. You can easily change that by right clicking on the icon, select Properties, and changing the applicable pointers. After you delete the 'old' folder, you'll know if everything points to the right place. If not, let us know and we can walk you through.
A re-install, especially with RTs, would take a long time.
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I went ahead and did a re-install since somehow some PG Music plugins (like tremolo, reverb, etc...) went missing went I lost my other hard drive. So far, everything seems to be working OK.
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That would be the case. BIAB is pretty friendly about not writing a whole LOT of stuff to the registry, but if you don't do a real install, you can run into some issues. When I coped my 9.0 Audiophile onto a smaller internal disk (with .WMA instead of .WAV) it would not update to 2009.5 (though the Audiophile version on the external updated fine.)
I suspect there are still a FEW windows gotchas hanging around there ...
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Kemmrich,
Are you using, by any chance, the eSATA port to transfer information (or maybe the Firewire)? I'm just curious about any conclusions you may have arrived at about any noticeable increase in speed.....and how it handles your use of BIAB and/or RealBand?
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Are you using, by any chance, the eSATA port to transfer information (or maybe the Firewire)?
If you are talking about copying the info from the BIAB USB Drive to the 500MB internal drive, I just did a normal windows copy and paste type thing. It took awhile to move that 40GB over.
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I'm just curious about any conclusions you may have arrived at about any noticeable increase in speed.....and how it handles your use of BIAB and/or RealBand?
BIAB seems to work about the same, but I don't have enough info yet. I just loaded in a BIAB file with 4 RT's 2 midi tracks and realdrums -- I can't say that it seemed to load any faster of the internal drive versus the USB drive. I mean if you got a super fast drive, then you should see some improvement. The drive I got maxes out at 7200rpm. I haven't fired up realBand yet.
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Apparently the hard drive is only the smaller part of the issue when it comes to the amount of time it takes to load RealTracks before they can play.
We've had reports of faster cpu's, notably the I7, being able to cut the RealTrack loading time by very significant amounts.
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That's interesting, Mac. I had not seen those reports, thanks. We had another recent thread on this, and I had thought the speed of the hard drive was the main determinant of Real Track generation speed. If that's wrong, then good. It's easier to get a much faster processor than a much faster hard drive at this point (though much more expensive).
How long does it take to generate a typical 3-chorus 32 bar song with, say, 3 Real Tracks and one Real Drum track, on those fast new CPUs? On my dual core, it's roughly 20 seconds.
And has anyone experimented with solid-state drives, to see if that helps?
By the way, back to the original question. When I got my external drive from PG Music, I copied all the files to an internal hard drive that is not the boot drive. I had previously installed BIAB on the boot drive, to get fonts etc. registered correctly, then I deleted the /BB folder on the boot drive. I run only from the other internal drive, and all is great.
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I sometimes dreaded having to regenerate a tune using multi RT style in BIAB, the delay could be painful, However, just booted up my new Dell XPS 9000 i7 processor with 6 G Ram and Vista Home Premium. Generated a couple of full RT Classic Styles with their Demo tunes, 6 seconds for one and nine seconds for the other. Anyone doing better than that?
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Here's one report I found.
You commented on that thread, Matt.
http://www.pgmusic.com/ubbthreads/showfl...true#Post237801
Six to nine sec. loading times for All RealTracks Demo songs is pretty enticing...
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Yes, thanks, and that sounds like good speed.
I do remember that post, but I'm puzzled how one would conclude from it that the CPU alone is responsible for the increased Real Track generation speed. Jazzmandan said he has a new Dell, and that might mean he has a whole new PC, with larger and faster RAM, better bus speeds, perhaps a new hard drive with larger cache, etc. Also notice that his post after mine mentioned only his hard drive specs.
When someone changes only the CPU and leaves the motherboard and the rest of the PC alone, and sees substantially faster generating time, then we will have proof about the CPU.
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Because he said it is a Dell, Matt.
I don't think your gonna find 10,000 RPM Raptors in there.
Possiblity of a larger than 8mb cache though. That may help for sure.
The part about the 12 gigs of ram is interesting, though I doubt it has as much impact on the processing of RealTrack files as the cpu does.
All you have to do is monitor your machine with a good resource monitoring software while RealTracks are being generated to see what I mean. CPU goes all the way up and stays there until ?Realtrack generation is completed or in some cases, near completion (ever notice some files speed up towards the end of the specific Realtracks generation?) well, I think it has gotten past the hard math at that point. Memory doesn't fill and the hard drive doesn't thrash around. At least, that's what happens here.
The way I figure it works, the code first reads the entire source RealTrack file into memory, then it starts the loop selection routine. At that point, it is a cpu intensive situation.
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It doesn't matter whether it is a Dell or anything else, since he already told us what he has: a 1 TB SATA 7200 hard drive. He didn't mention cache, but even cheap Western Digitals are now shipping with 16MB cache.
Checking the CPU monitor in Task Manager is one of the first things I did. On my system, the CPU just goes to 100% and pegs there, even when Real Tracks are still being loaded from the hard drive, so I can't tell relatively what is happening.
I still don't think it has been proven that the CPU is the bottleneck, and not the hard drive. Some of those Real Track files on disk are huge. We have only a claim from one person with a 6 to 9 second generation time. I would like to see more data before drawing any conclusions.
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I would suspect the CPU would make a larger difference than the other components if the files are having to be decompressed before being generated, but it is still the heart of any computer and the faster the better at all task. To speed up any program, I'd go with a faster CPU over a faster hard drive.
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Yes, you're probably right. Still, compared to most tasks, this one has a whole lot more disk input.
It will be interesting to follow more reports as they come in.
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Update.
Here's a quick test I ran. Everything is the same except two different speeds for hard drives.
My Real Tracks and Real Drums are normally located on a standard Western Digital Caviar hard drive running at 7,200 rpm, with an 8MB cache.
I timed a BIAB song with three Real Tracks instruments. I then loaded these three instruments on a Western Digital VelociRaptor drive (runs at 10,000 rpm, with a 16 MB cache) and pointed the Real Tracks to this faster drive (Options, Preferences, Real Tracks). I also put the one set of Real Drums on the faster drive and pointed them there too.
Generation times for the same song, from pressing Play to the first count-off click:
standard hard drive: 18 seconds
faster hard drive: 12 seconds
So, for this one limited test, that is a 33% improvement. I may just copy over more of the Real Tracks to the VelociRaptor drive. I can't put them all, since it's nowhere near large enough (that would be about 920 GB, and the VelociRaptor has about 250 GB free). But I could put the ones I use most. Changing the location of the files back to the default is as simple as unchecking two boxes in Preferences.
Please note, these files are the audiophile versions, thus Real Tracks generation is a bit faster than with the WMA standard files.
ps My PC is an Intel Core Duo 3 GHz. Not a screamer, and no overclocking.
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Matt and Others,
Would the type of port connection make a difference? In particular, I understand that connection via an eSATA port is 6 times faster than a USB 2.0 connnection. Which of these were you using or were you using a firewire connection? Again, it seems that would make a difference as well if one has the RT and RD located on the external hard drive. I asking because my new laptop has an eSATA port and I'm looking to get an external drive with a 32 Mb cache, 7200 rpm, and with an eSATA port with the anticipation that this will speed up the transfer of the RT and RD in a more real-time manner.
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My test was all internal hard drives.
I would expect transfer from an internal drive to be faster than an external drive on an eSATA port, which in turn would be faster than an external drive via USB.
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G'day Matt,
An eSATA port and and internal SATA port are both the same speed - actually, they're the same port... Just an external connector for the eSATA.
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