Some other things that are worth testing that may help identify the issue...
1. Does this happen with all styles or is it just a particular style?
2. Rather than pushing the limits of repetition of cycling through 40 choruses, have you tried simply setting the song to (say) eight bars long and then looping through those eight bars indefinitely?
Looping is found under the button "Loop" that sits immediately to the right of "Generate and play" (with BIAB 2017; I'm not sure where this isn BIAB 2009).
3. What happens if you load in one of the MGU files that work fine, and use that at a template for your backing? To do this...
Open the MGU file.
Save as a new name so that you don't overwrite the original.
Delete all the chords.
Add Dmaj9#11 to bar 1.
Mute the melody and generate and play
4. Is a particular track louder/softer than the others?
5. Have you tried downloading and installing the latest update for BIAB 2009 found at the link below? Right-click and select "Run as administrator" when installing it.
They play the .SGU "songs" I create plenty-loud. The laptop's internal speakers are NOT loud enough (on .SGU files). 2) I did notice something potentially-helpful today.
This may help you to help me... .WAV and .MGU songs play louder than .SGU songs.
I save the "song". It gets saved as a .SGU (which I think is the problem. SGUs aren't as loud as .WAV or .MGU files).
This is interesting, and may or may not be related. I can understand that the WAV files may have a different volume. The MGU and SGU comparison is a little more confusing. The M in MGU indicates that the song has a recorded Melody track. That shouldn't change the volume though. How did you create the .SGU and .MGU song files?
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I updated the version to 2009.5 Build 287 (as suggested by John, in an earlier post)
Someone's asked: "How do I enter my songs?" Again: - I click New" - I type ONE chord (see above) -I set BIAB to play the one chord repeatedly (32 measures repeated 40 times)
Please understand: I do nothing else. I'm using BIAB to play one chord repeatedly.
Others have asked me to try certain things. I haven't tried those yet. I'll report back.
I did load 2009 on my Windows 10 system and tried the default Microsoft sounds, and several other synths I already have on that system, and they all sounded pretty equal volume-wise.
You didn't say what kind of laptop. I know on my laptop, the sound card actually splits out the speakers versus the headphones, so volume can be adjusted independently.
This is just an offchance suggestion, but you might want to try downloading the ASIO4ALL and see if it works with you laptop's sound card and see if it makes a difference.
Just a thought.
We can talk you through it if necessary.
John
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Hmmm, my laptop is an HP (not Elitebook) from a 2011 vintage; however, I had to downgrade it to Windows 7, since the Windows 10 anniversary update rendered it unbootable (after Windows 10 had been working fine since it was publicly released) and I didn't have time to troubleshoot the problem (lost of folks on web apparently reported the same problem).
Anyway, I did try it on my HP desktop, using the internal sound card and the volume was consistent, now matter what I was playing.
Did you ever try to "normalize" your MIDI volumes (I think that was available in your version). Set it to 110 or 120 and see if that helps. I'm not at my machine right now, but I think it's under Preferences, then in the "Arrange" tab.
Also, have you tried several different styles? Some styles are much quieter than others. MIDI normalize will help level out all the styles. It doesn't make all the volumes the same, but basically it raises the MIDI velocity (which affects volume) center. So, if all the MIDI data was defined to play at a velocity of between 44 at 64 (which allows for some dynamic variance), then the MIDI center is around 55. If you then set MIDI normalize to say 85, then the MIDI velocities are adjusted to play in the range of 74 to 94, making it louder, but still preserving dynamic range.
By the way, this was one of my suggestions many years back that was implemented by PGMusic.
John
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Yes, good idea, John. That's one of the adjustments I was referring to, but we still don't know if the OP is hearing MIDI or audio in the one-chord song.
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Yes, good idea, John. That's one of the adjustments I was referring to, but we still don't know if the OP is hearing MIDI or audio in the one-chord song.
Matt, audio as in RealTracks?
Cardinal24, in BiaB, are the tracks shown as yellow or green colored font?
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Yes, good idea, John. That's one of the adjustments I was referring to, but we still don't know if the OP is hearing MIDI or audio in the one-chord song.
Matt, audio as in RealTracks?
Cardinal24, in BiaB, are the tracks shown as yellow or green colored font?
Trevor, yes, exactly. But I don't remember if version 2009 had that color distinction. RealTracks were only one year old at that point.
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Matt, thanks. Yes I did not know if the Yellow and Green codes were used. There were certainly very few RealTracks available at that time (just 3 for the preceding 2008 version if I recall).
Others might recall if the Yellow/Green color coding was used in 2009?
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If you've kept updating BIAB in the same directory over the years, you'll have all the user manuals in x:\bb from when you first created the directory. That's what I use to look up things for older versions.
The image below from the 2009 manual shows that the present colour coding system was in place at that time.
That's what I do also (look at the old user manuals). Comes in handy when someone asks a question about an older version that I no longer have installed.
John
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