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I've discovered that if the Natural Arrangement is active on the track of your chosen soloist (RT, not midi!), the result is much more limited and repetitive in terms of what you actually get played.
So be sure to manually turn that OFF for your soloist(s) in your Track Settings.
Last edited by Icelander; 06/10/17 01:31 PM. Reason: Correcting mistakes
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Good tip Icelander.. Never been in the Arranger setting also, and discovered som other settings there also that I preferred to of...
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I'm not sure just what the "natural arrangement" does anyway.
Does it compromise the chords so that when I put in a complex chord it simplifies it? If so, what's the sense of putting in a Bb7#5#9 or something like that?
Or does it improve voice leading? That would be a good thing.
Or something else?
I generally leave it off anyway. The little yellow box appears and I ignore it.
Perhaps I should do some experimenting.
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I'm not sure just what the "natural arrangement" does anyway.
Does it compromise the chords so that when I put in a complex chord it simplifies it? If so, what's the sense of putting in a Bb7#5#9 or something like that?
Or does it improve voice leading? As I've come to understand it, the intended effect is for the latter, i.e. improving voice leading. I actually think the limiting effect it has had on the soloists may have been an unexpected/unforeseen side-effect that wasn't intentional, hence this thread. I generally leave it off anyway. The little yellow box appears and I ignore it. You can actually adjust the preferences for this thing so that you won't get those yellow messages either, regardless of what you've set for the function itself. So yes, experimenting might just be the thing 
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I still don't know what it does.
I know I like the result.
I do not seem to miss any subtleties from missing upper extensions, although most of my compositions use those upper extensions in the melody so they are not required in the backing track.
The partial explanations I've read imply it is simplifying the chords, so as to make use of more pre-recorded combinations of chords (i.e., progressions) [my emphasis] that would necessarily result in better voice leading. It's entirely possible that the players did what real players would do, namely add upper extensions where the voice leading works, so that what you hear is reconstructed as what you actually wanted in the first place.
Or not. I don't know. I would like to know.
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To my ear, if you set this on there's less 'fanatic' chasing after every single note of say a 5-note tension chord in every single instrument = Less clustered effect overall.
So it's not that we're not getting the tensions at all, just more intelligently handled depending on the instrument. And if you look at the yellow notice of percentages, you'll notice that the figure reported for each of your instruments differs from one instrument to the next, depending on what sort of instrument it is. An example: A Bluegrass Mandolin instrument will report a higher percentage number for a song with many complex chords than a Jazz Piano on that same song.
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you'll notice that the figure reported for each of your instruments differs from one instrument to the next No kidding? OK, good observation.
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Very interesting insights.
I don't use the RealStyles that much, because
(1) I have a bank of synths and synth modules that give me excellent sounds and
(2) I like to 'play' (edit) with the outcome of BiaB in a sequencer. I can change the voice leading, decide which notes to omit, add ones that BiaB doesn't include, as well as change instrument tone and all those thousands of other MIDI edits not possible with Audio (yet).
But I'm finishing up some new Fake Disks right now. I usually do my fake disks in MIDI styles, because BiaB will kindly offer a substitute Real Style as an option, and that gives the end-user a choice. Sometimes the MIDI style works better with a song.
But I'm doing the Real Book 6th Edition, and I decided to do it with all Real Styles. And since some jazz composers seem to like complex chord voicing I wonder what effect this has.
After all, some of the jazzers like Gary Burton, Chick Corea, Wayne Shorter, Keith Jarret, and others seem to really love complex chords, and those extensions give the songs their tonal color.
Note: When I do a fake disk I don't use soloists and I generally don't like styles where the strings, horn, or other accompaniment instrument wants to play like they are the soloist, playing melodies that clash with the melody of the song instead of background figures. And a lot of the RT parts seem to do just that. I guess that has it's place, but not when a melody player has to compete for sonic space and rhythm.
So I wonder what difference the feature actually makes?
I guess I'd have to get used to the sound of the RTs (which I seldom use) and then turn it off and on.
Personally, I think the RTs are a stroke of genius, but the MIDI styles are still thousands of times more editable - and I like to edit. It's fun for me and as Peter Gannon always suggests, 'Have fun!'
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Haha, Norton, seems we are going to cross each other in the exploration road of BiaB. In all my songs from 2016, almost 800, I used ONLY RT... Something happen when I started 2017. Kind of running out of ideas for songs.. Then I was thinking; Let me start to explore the midi styles ! I never used any midi solos from the Soloist features for instance. Tried a few times, with no editing, and it was just terrible staccato in my ears. But then, I started to look into the editing feature and changed some settings there and voila ! Suddenly the solos sounded a lot better ! Yeah, sometimes incredible good... Especially superfast jazz solos. And classical solos. No RT could do anything near it...
So the only I miss now is the same preview and filter option of the soloist as in the RT window. Time for PG-Music to give it an overhaul?
BTW, could u explain what this midi endings and intro disk does and how to implement them in our songs? Struggling a bit whit that...
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The MIDI intro and ending disks I offer are MIDI files that go along with the Norton Styles of the same name.
They run from simple to elaborate (up to 16 bars long) and are similar to those long intros and endings you hear on the auto-accompaniment 'arranger' keyboards.
They are provided as a free extra in many of my later style disks.
They might be difficult to use in the BiaB environment itself, but if you either export your work to a DAW/MIDI sequencer or work in Real Band, you can just copy and paste them on the beginning and end of your song.
They have the same instrument set as the Norton MIDI style of the same name, and the intro/ending parts are designed to sound good with those same styles.
If you don't use Real Band or a DAW/Sequencer, you can probably force them into BiaB, and if you can't figure that out, remember, they are a free add-on to my styles disks so you lose nothing by tossing them.
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