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#440690 - 11/26/17 05:20 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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All seems well. I've done 3 gigs without issues. I have been making sure to delete all songs from the Jukebox before closing.
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#441191 - 11/28/17 07:21 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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Hi John, great to see you again and I still have those files you sent me.

Pipeline and Guitarhacker your comments are understandable but you don't know who Silvertones is. He's a total pro level user just like you guys are and knows as much about these programs as anybody. I don't know if the forum goes back that far but try to find his posts about performing live with Power Tracks about 4 years ago. After a lot of trial and error he created one helluva live setup because he wanted total multitrack control over each instrument.

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#441254 - 11/28/17 11:10 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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I've been using an iPod touch with all my backing tracks stored onto it since I bought one and it's been working for me so far. I do not have worry about my Mac crashing or having to take 5 minutes just to find the next track I want to play. I also use backing tracks that were either given to me or came included with sheet music I bought, and I sometimes make my own backing tracks when I need to have my parts to be precisely laid out note for note.

P.S. I don't own a PC so I can't use RealBand and PG Music has no intention of including RealBand for Mac even though the vast majority of audio productions is done on a Mac. My school has a production lab that only uses Macs.


Edited by Islansoul (11/28/17 11:13 AM)
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#441255 - 11/28/17 11:14 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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Hey Bob,
Good to hear from you as well. You still gigging?
I've since dumped all the analog mixers and drive rack stuff. Now using a 16x4 digital stage box. Mixer on my computer and a tablet.
Going to upgrade lights as well to led.
Sure glad that in music school it was required to intern for s moving company. At 66 loading in/out and setup/tear down is tough duty but it's still worth it.
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#441269 - 11/28/17 12:23 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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Gigging, oh yeah. You know how it is with us warhorses, I just can't say no. I have 5 coming up for December but only one is a jazz gig. Those have dried up but I'm back to my classic rock roots doing Santana, Joe Cocker, the Doors, SRV, Stevie Wonder, etc. Lots of keyboard on that stuff.

You're back now so lets see a new pic of you and your toys.

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#441406 - 11/28/17 06:27 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: jazzmammal]
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Awesome man.
Can't say no either.
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#450610 - 01/12/18 07:17 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: Pipeline]
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I don't know if this is helpful to you, but this is the way I do it. I create the songs in BB. If I need to tweak them, I can do it with Notation and Piano Roll in BB if the instrument is midi. If it is RT or I need to add a part of my own, I can go to RB.

When I have the song done, I save it to an SD card that I use in my Jam Man looper. One card holds at least two sets. The looper is always at my feet so it is easy to work with. My sets are pretty well-planned. I keep a list of the locations of the loops in case I want to make a change. The Jam Man has a stereo out if you want to run stereo live (I don't).

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#450675 - 01/12/18 02:07 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
Charlie Fogle Offline
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Originally Posted By: silvertones
Hey Bob,
Good to hear from you as well. You still gigging?
I've since dumped all the analog mixers and drive rack stuff. Now using a 16x4 digital stage box. Mixer on my computer and a tablet.
Going to upgrade lights as well to led.
Sure glad that in music school it was required to intern for s moving company. At 66 loading in/out and setup/tear down is tough duty but it's still worth it.


Glad to hear you have your gigging issues worked out. I'm also interested in learning more of your live stage setup.

"I usually use abt 10 tracks in RB. They are all assigned to one of 8 audio outs of my interface to one of 8 channels of my digital stage box. Mixer is software on the computer and my sound persons tablet. They mix me from FOH. I sing and play bass live. One RB track goes to the computers headphone output to provide chord data for my harmonizer.Another RB track is midi data that goes, via a virtual midi cable to QLITE controller program which is for lighting. I built a USB to DMX adapter box to drive my lighting dimmer packs."

If you don't mind my asking, which digital stage box are you using and how are you routing your setup? Which software are you mixing with on the computer and tablet? Are you completely wireless or using ethernet? Thanks for your time.
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#450852 - 01/13/18 10:43 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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I Build the songs in RealBand.I don't use the so called "BB" tracks. Just plain tracks. My focus is having a consistent sound like a Real Band regardless of the song. I use an ESI Gigaport HD audio interface.It is 8 outputs, no inputs.
I assign tracks like this.
1. Drums
2. Kick
3. solos
4. horns
5. acoustic guitars
6. electric guitars
7. Piano
8. Organ
These 8 outs go to 8 ins on my Behringer xr16 mixer. The xr16 is just a box with 16 inputs, 4 aux outs and 2 main outs. It is controlled by software that connects via wifi.
The headphone out of the computer provides chords to my harmonizer. Not heard
One channel of the mixer is main vocals and two othere channels are harmony vocals.
I also use another track in RB with note data that, using a virtual midi cable, connects to QLite controller which is lighting software.I built a box that converts the lighting cues from usb to DMX512.
The mixer main outs go to my 3000 watt biamped pa. I use in ears out of the mixer.
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#450853 - 01/13/18 10:45 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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BTW the juke box in RB crashed the program again. I bought PT2017 and its been perfect. I would recommend not using RB to play out if your setup is at al complex.
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#450891 - 01/13/18 01:08 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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Originally Posted By: silvertones
Behringer xr16 mixer. The xr16 is just a box with 16 inputs, 4 aux outs and 2 main outs. It is controlled by software that connects via wifi.

I too use a similar system built by RCF.

http://mixer.rcf.it/rcf-m-series.html

It works and it sounds simply GREAT.
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#450980 - 01/13/18 06:14 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
Charlie Fogle Offline
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Thanks for the information on your setup. I thought it was likely a Behringer or similar brand stage box arrangement. The Fx plug-ins and routing options are really nice for almost any situation you'll encounter.

I had an X-32 for a while but it was too large for my studio so I sold it and considered the Air-X-18 to replace it but eventually settled on a SoundCraft signature 22MTK.
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#451046 - 01/14/18 05:24 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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Hi John,

FWIW, after I visited you several years ago, I adapted my song list to your approach (more or less). The difference is that I mixed all audio down to a master track in order to keep processing to a minimum.

That left plenty of overhead for RB to display my chord/lyric sheet and send any MIDI to external devices for patch changes, real time volume and effects controls, harmonies etc.

And, like you, I ended up switching to Power Tracks for playback. It was always rock solid for me, didn't require me to convert everything to another format, and if I needed to tweak a sequence, I could edit my performance file directly in RB then move the result back to my gig folder where PT would open the same SEQ file format. I think that reason alone is enough to justify using PT for my playback software.

At the end of the day, lots of software does almost the same thing. At my age I don't want to reinvent the wheel. If PT is stable for playback and RB is good at putting the sequences I need together, and the same learning curve makes me familiar with both programs at the same time.. I like that.

Glad to have you back on the forum, my friend.

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#452246 - 01/19/18 12:51 PM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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John, does it crash if you take the multiply outputs out of the equation? I remember fighting with my 8 out firewire MOTU stuff a few years ago. There is that slight nuanced condition of whether the software is crashing or the hardware is crashing it. You have been using this hardware for a while without incident, right? I doubt the hardware has changed so there must be either an OS or a software condition that is causing it. Working backwards, what changed just before the crashing started? Have you tested with a different output just to make sure it is or isn't the software?

Very strange that something working stops working. The difference in my case of the MOTU stuff was that I was adding it and trying something different, so it isn't the same situation.
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#452416 - 01/20/18 10:36 AM [RealBand] Re: I think I've had it with RB [Re: silvertones]
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It was 2 things:
1. The Jukebox has always been flaky but now it crashes the program at times.
2. One of the updates in 2017 set the buffer to 200. That's what caused me the biggest headache. I set it to 4000 and all is well.

I'm using PT 2017 to play out with. Much better and more stable.
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