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#441932 - 12/01/17 02:35 PM [Beginners Forum] Multitrack recording
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I saved a backing track with bass and drum.
Now (I do not know if it can be done) I would like to add 3 more audio tracks 1) singer 2) piano 3) trumpet recorded separately listening on the headphones the tracks already recorded.
A multitrack recording.

I would already be happy to record not the 3 tracks simultaneously but to record singer, piano and trumpet separately: the important thing is to be able to send each audio track on a different channel.

It this possible?


Edited by casak (12/01/17 02:50 PM)

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#441935 - 12/01/17 02:53 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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BIAB has one audio track.

But RealBand, provided free with BIAB, can do this. So can any DAW (digital audio workstation, a software program such as Reaper, Mixcraft etc.).
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#441939 - 12/01/17 03:31 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: casak
BIAB 2017
I saved a backing track with bass and drum.
Now (I do not know if it can be done) I would like to add 3 more audio tracks 1) singer 2) piano 3) trumpet recorded separately listening on the headphones the tracks already recorded.
A multitrack recording.

I would already be happy to record not the 3 tracks simultaneously but to record singer, piano and trumpet separately: the important thing is to be able to send each audio track on a different channel.

It this possible?


Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
BIAB has one audio track.


Matt is correct and he's telling you the preferred and best method. But, while BIAB has only one audio track, it can be used multiple times. If for some reason you wanted specifically to complete your recording from within the BIAB program, you can.... Multi track audio recording is possible using only BIAB! You are not even limited to the 7 tracks that are not audio tracks...
15 or more tracks are easily captured.

casak, in your specific example, for conversation, let's assume you have some musician friends over and it is a once in a lifetime opportunity to record all of you together. We'll assume in this conversation you know nothing about using RealBand, or you use a Mac and don't have RB. Let's assume you have no access to any other DAW. BIAB is all that is available and you want to record the setup you describe above in your question. As long as you have the ability to get the audio into Biab, it is possible. For instance, you are using BIAB RealTracks for Bass and Drums and you have a mic into your audio interface and Biab is configured to access the interface. You are good to go. You have used two tracks and still have the audio track and piano, guitar, strings, melody and soloist tracks available for recording. All of these tracks can accept audio.

The process is simple.

Record your first instrument or vocal onto the audio track.

From the audio menu, make the audio track a Performance track and move it to an available track.

Record your second and third audio tracks repeating the above process.

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Once you are finished recording, your mixer tracks would look similar to the following:

(Bass Track) RT Bass
(Piano Track) Performance track Piano
(Drums Track) RT Drums
(Guitar Track) Performance track Trumpet
(Strings Track ) Performance track Singer
Melody
Soloist
Audio

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Edited by Charlie Fogle (12/01/17 03:33 PM)
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#441940 - 12/01/17 03:33 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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That's really creative, Charlie. I've never attempted that because I just use a DAW to do multitrack recording.
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#441983 - 12/01/17 07:12 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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While Charlie's method works, the best bet for recording multiple tracks is to use a multi-track recording app (such as Realband).
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#442019 - 12/01/17 10:17 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: jford]
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Originally Posted By: jford
While Charlie's method works, the best bet for recording multiple tracks is to use a multi-track recording app (such as Realband).


Quote from my post: "Matt is correct and he's telling you the preferred and best method."

I certainly don't disagree with you John. I was answering the question asked in the original post that indicated to me, was asking if it were possible to make a multitrack recording in BIAB. It is.

I speculate that most users are the same as casak and Matt and don't consider that Biab is even capable of multitrack recording. Other options are readily available and no consideration is given to Biab because it's unnecessary when there are so many DAWs and multitracks out there.

Biab is a more than capable multitrack recorder but it is not a DAW. All DAWs are multitrack recorders but not all multitrack recorders are DAWs. Or, at least, not fully featured DAWs.

The best way to evaluate Biab as a multitrack recorder is to compare it with other basic multitrack recorders such as the Tascam DP-006, DP-008, Zoom H4n, H2n type units rather than a comparison with a DAW.



Edited by Charlie Fogle (12/01/17 10:23 PM)
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#442029 - 12/02/17 12:59 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Thank you guys. I will try Chrlie's method to move audio track on another BIAB track. But I also have Realband in my package and I have installed Realband on my PC (Win 10). Is it possible with Realband to make a multitrack recording easier? What should I do? I do not know Realband very much. I have always and only used BIAB so far.

smile


Edited by casak (12/02/17 01:02 AM)

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#442037 - 12/02/17 04:04 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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Originally Posted By: casak
Thank you guys. I will try Charlie's method to move audio track on another BIAB track. But I also have Realband in my package and I have installed Realband on my PC (Win 10). Is it possible with Realband to make a multitrack recording easier? What should I do? I do not know Realband very much. I have always and only used BIAB so far.

smile


There are many benefits to using RealBand for multitrack recording rather than Biab. This was a discussion more of theory than practical application. RealBand is designed for multitrack recording as a primary purpose and Biab is not. It is much more visual and has easy access to multitrack and mixing features that are more cumbersome in Biab. With RealBand, you have 48 tracks available before you have to move audio. A huge advantage with RealBand is the multi riff feature and also you can regenerate just a portion of a track rather than the complete track regenerating. So if you have a track where you are satisfied with everything except a small portion, you can fix just the part you're not satisfied with. It is easy to cut and paste audio in RealBand. It is easy to automate volume and panning in RealBand. If you have an audio interface that has multiple inputs, you can record multiple tracks at once with RealBand. RealBand shares a lot of integration with Biab and it is a DAW. It is the best of both worlds.

I grew up using Reel to Reel tape decks, Cassette Portastudios that had 2,4, or 8 tracks. My familiarity and experience make it easy for me to maneuver and apply old school techniques that are not needed when you work in a DAW environment. I enjoy working with the old school techniques and the challenges a limited count of tracks provides. It's not something that most would find as enjoyable as I do.

If you are doing a serious project, the project is the main objective so you will be better to utilize RealBand which will allow you to focus primarily on the music rather than the software. I recommend you learn and use RealBand for multi track recording.


Edited by Charlie Fogle (12/02/17 04:24 AM)
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#442041 - 12/02/17 04:23 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
That's really creative, Charlie. I've never attempted that because I just use a DAW to do multitrack recording.


Many thanks Matt. Made me smile....

An aside note: You can also create multitrack recordings in Biab by clicking the 'Overdub underlying audio' button in the Record Audio window. This will merge each take with the existing audio track. You have no control over the track mix but you can continue to record takes as long as that button is checked.

In that same window, you see that punch in/out is also available.

All of the audio plug ins/ Vst's and DXI's are available as well. Harmonies by TC Helicon are available.

When you add the ability to record BIAB RealTracks, MIDI, MIDI Super Tracks; BIAB becomes a very robust multi track recorder in comparison to other multi track recorders produced by Zoom, Tascam, etc. The best most of those models could produce internally was a midi drum machine.



Edited by Charlie Fogle (12/02/17 04:26 AM)
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#442125 - 12/02/17 01:23 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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Anything you save in Band in a Box can be opened in Real Band. It should load just like it was in BB. Then, you can add as many tracks as you need (with in reason of course).
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#442141 - 12/02/17 01:54 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Guitarhacker]
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Guitarhacker..... this process with Realband is magic and simple.


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#442180 - 12/02/17 04:13 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Guitarhacker]
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#443513 - 12/08/17 04:28 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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Hi Charlie,

I tried to move the audio track to performance track. Biab seems to pass the audio track and write Artist in the title of the Performance track, but this track does not sound ... it is silent.

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#443789 - 12/09/17 09:09 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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I agree that Real Band is the way to go...but Charlie's solution scores very high on the 'cool-workaround' meter..!
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#443823 - 12/09/17 11:50 AM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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I don’t know how old many of you are, but what Charlie described was known in the late 60s and early 70s as ‘sound on sound’. This layering was done with reel-to-reel tape decks, and it was a big deal.

It also was the forerunner of effects we routinely hear now in live performance. I had a device called an Echoplex, which was a short tape loop. I could play duets with myself during a solo.
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#443841 - 12/09/17 01:03 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: Matt Finley]
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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
I don’t know how old many of you are, but what Charlie described was known in the late 60s and early 70s as ‘sound on sound’. This layering was done with reel-to-reel tape decks, and it was a big deal.

It also was the forerunner of effects we routinely hear now in live performance. I had a device called an Echoplex, which was a short tape loop. I could play duets with myself during a solo.


I'm old; been there - done that! I hated splicing tape!

I had a Dynacord Echocord: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiBeTGL-eCk

The same tape loop idea as your Echoplex.

Along with echos I could get the sound the Stones used in Satisfaction by turning the volume up on it and down on my amp. I attracted a lot of guitarist back then using that technique. Today the amp's gain control is used.

Things have really changed for the better haven't they?
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#443857 - 12/09/17 02:23 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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AAhh the good old gig days mine was a Wem copycat still have it.

Things have really changed for the better have they?


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#443861 - 12/09/17 03:00 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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doesn't look like it runs on a tape that looks class mariod
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#443863 - 12/09/17 03:25 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: beatmaster]
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The clackity, clack, clack of a poor splice is hard to replicate. I loved my olde copycat machine.
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#443864 - 12/09/17 03:33 PM [Beginners Forum] Re: Multitrack recording [Re: casak]
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well you can tell you had one Teunis, takes me back, clickity,clack..priceless.
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