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#442933 - 12/05/17 11:14 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference
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This test will help you evaluate the shortest time difference you can hear. This version is the easy one, intended for home-theatre users. You will be asked whether two sounds are synchronized, or not (2-way test).

Musicians and studio engineers, please switch over to the 3-way test (more difficult).

found on iOS 11 roundtrip latency not short enough (around 20ms)


Edited by pghboemike (12/05/17 11:24 PM)
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#442977 - 12/06/17 05:26 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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Very interesting Mike. Didn't think I could still hear a 10ms delay but got 9 out of 11 right. Maybe my hearing isn't as bad as I thought!

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#443017 - 12/06/17 08:43 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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nailed the musician's test.. 100% correct on the triple.

10ms is approximately equivalent to standing 10 feet from the source


Edited by Guitarhacker (12/06/17 08:44 AM)
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#443023 - 12/06/17 09:17 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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10ms is about what I use when I delay a left vs. right vocal track to "thicken".
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#443172 - 12/06/17 11:08 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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It's definitely a learned skill. The 3 version was very hard for me.
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#443174 - 12/06/17 11:09 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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It's definitely a learned skill. The 3 version was very hard for me. Does this mean I'm a sh$# player / musician / audi engineer? cry
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#443311 - 12/07/17 09:20 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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Weird I got a 60% on the 2-way but 100% on the 3 way?

But with my extreme tinnitus I'm surprised since the high-hat was in my "noise" gate especially its volume level, while I assume the testers made the levels equal the high-hat seemed LOWER than the bass in the 2 way?

In this case not sure what I was suppose to learn about myself since the test was "in a vacuum" (i.e., no context or if you are from the method-actor school of thought "what's my motivation")

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#444217 - 12/11/17 07:42 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: pghboemike]
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This is very interesting! I've heard of these kind of tests, but never actually tried taking one. I'll have to bookmark it for later on and try it out smile
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#444376 - 12/11/17 03:41 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: Blind testing a 10 ms Timing Difference [Re: lambada]
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You engineer for audi?

Not sure how this test would affect that at all.
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