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#447872 - 12/29/17 12:42 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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One Track. One Take.

Hilary Hahn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3aloHY7I_g

No effects.

That's what I'm talking about.

Go Hilary.

Or wait.

Maybe 4 tracks.

Jeff Beck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKjHBd7nOiM

F.M.M. will know what I'm saying.

smile

Tal Wilkenfeld was 15 at the time I think....
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#447996 - 12/30/17 01:51 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: David Snyder]
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Originally Posted By: David Snyder
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Tal Wilkenfeld was 15 at the time I think....


I think she was actually in her early 20's at the time of that Ronnie Scotts gig. And the ultimate track for me from that particular concert that showcases her talent is this one:

https://youtu.be/r3ZPWFKrocc

Doesn't get much better than that! I've probably watched that DVD 50 times, never gets old smile


Edited by BlueAttitude (12/30/17 02:05 AM)

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#448048 - 12/30/17 09:51 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: BlueAttitude]
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Originally Posted By: BlueAttitude
I think she was actually in her early 20's at the time of that Ronnie Scotts gig. And the ultimate track for me from that particular concert that showcases her talent is this one:

https://youtu.be/r3ZPWFKrocc


Unfortunately that cannot be viewed in the U.S. from that link.
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#448052 - 12/30/17 10:10 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: sslechta]
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Originally Posted By: sslechta
Originally Posted By: BlueAttitude
I think she was actually in her early 20's at the time of that Ronnie Scotts gig. And the ultimate track for me from that particular concert that showcases her talent is this one:

https://youtu.be/r3ZPWFKrocc


Unfortunately that cannot be viewed in the U.S. from that link.


Man, that's too bad! Maybe this one will work for you: https://youtu.be/0Hg2zZ_7p0U

Well worth watching, she is amazing!

If not, do a search for "jeff beck cause we've ended as lovers ronnie scotts"



Edited by BlueAttitude (12/30/17 10:11 AM)

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#448063 - 12/30/17 11:07 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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No luck in the U.S. again: "This video contains content from Eagle Rock. It is not available in your country."

This one does it: https://youtu.be/NCRvSe_YiGs
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#448251 - 12/31/17 11:53 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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I keep readindg here about how double tracks fattens up the sound.how does that work?If I copy and paste my vocal to a second one surely it just makes itlouder.Then I'd have to knock a few db off both and I'm back where I started.
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#448256 - 12/31/17 12:19 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: WendyM]
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Originally Posted By: WendyM
I keep readindg here about how double tracks fattens up the sound.how does that work?If I copy and paste my vocal to a second one surely it just makes itlouder.Then I'd have to knock a few db off both and I'm back where I started.
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Hi Wendy,

If you just copy and paste your vocal onto a new track then yes; when you combine them you will just end up with a vocal twice as loud.

To get a fatter or bigger sound the best way is to actually sing the same part twice. The reason it then sounds fatter is because it is just about impossible for you to sing them identical both times, they will be off slightly in pitch and in timing.

There are tools that simulate this doubling effect, but best way is to just sing it twice IMHO.



Edited by BlueAttitude (12/31/17 12:23 PM)

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#448271 - 12/31/17 01:40 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: BlueAttitude]
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Hi Wendy,

Dave's advice is very good. If you can't or don't want to sing it twice there are a few tricks you can try:

1-Copy your vocal twice. Pan you first track dead center. Pan the second track far left and detune it down a couple of cents. Then pan the third track far right and detune it up a couple of cents. You would do this in a DAW. If your DAW doesn't have detune the use your pitch bend.

2- using either two vocal tracks panned left and right or the above three tracks put a different subtle effect on the far left and right tracks. Maybe a little delay, or reverb or chorus.

3- on a single track put a very subtle chorus effect on it. This can thicken vocals.

4-there are doubling effects out there that combine panning and effects. Waves has one https://www.waves.com/plugins/doubler and it is very good.

5-Copy you vocal twice. Pan you first track dead center. Pan the second track far left and move it forward a tick or two. Then pan the third track far right and move it back a tick or two. You would do this in a DAW. Combine this with #1 and/or #2 if you wish.

Good luck and I hope this helps.
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#448280 - 12/31/17 03:29 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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Very similar to Mario's step 5: I getter a fatter sound by duping the main vocal twice, especially on the chorus. Pan those two new copies one hard left and one hard right. Shift the left track 10ms earlier and right track 10 ms later than the original vocal in the center. Thickens up nicely.
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#448297 - 12/31/17 05:51 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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I think this last series of posts gets at what I was trying to offer earlier.

I ALWAYS copy the main vocal to at least two other tracks. The main stays center and the other two go left and right--slightly, I mean ever so slightly--panned.

The left and right vocals get some treatment, different for each track, maybe something from Nectar on one, and one of my own "homemade" effects chain strips on another with some tape saturation, or plate reverb, and additional EQing.

The MAIN vocal track on my stuff is sometimes completely dry and set just a little higher than the others--this gives my voice a more natural sound, but the other tracks add sweetness.

For my genre, I want to hear the grit and emotion in my voice, even the imperfections, because I am doing rock, or folk rock, or pop rock.

There are many ways to approach this but that is my recipe.

Also, your vocals will never sound twice as loud with a doubled (duped) track. The only way to make it louder is to increase the volume or gain.

Finally, signing along with yourself for another take is a whole different ball game and effect--it creates exactly what it sounds like--you singing along with yourself.

If this is not the effect you want (which is immediately evident) you need to copy and paste the track.

Hope that helps.

Happy New Year everyone.
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#448315 - 12/31/17 06:52 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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Guess I’m the odd man out - what surprise smile

Janice is down with one take almost always as she is a bent note singer and doesn’t like the structure of having to phrase the same way for a doubled vocal. But she will double harmonies on collabs and the wave forms look identical. Go figure.

Anyhow for leads on most of our user forum productions I double her lead and stack them both dead center. Each has somewhat different Nectar 2 settings and I use Ozone’s Imager on one of the tracks.

Many ways to approach this. Big grains of salt and a FWIW smile and a happy new year!

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#448358 - 01/01/18 04:33 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: How many tracks does your song usually have? [Re: fantasyvn]
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Man, some great tips in this thread!

A few mentioned here I will be trying out in 2018 for sure cool

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