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#456464 - 02/08/18 10:16 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] drumset mixer?
BIABDEX Offline
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Hello,
I have Band in a Box 2017 pro.
Is there a mixer for the drum set only? So that I can make, for example, only the hi-hat louder or the rimshot or quieter the ride cymbal? Without having to change the whole style?
Or is there a plug-in? That's an important thing.
I am looking forward to answers.
Thanks.

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#456480 - 02/08/18 11:40 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: BIABDEX]
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If you are using MIDI drums then you can adjust the velocity level for each instrument part like snare, kick, high-hat and so on. There is also some MIDI tools that can automate changing velocity.

RealDrums originate from a stereo audio file so you do not have access to the individual instruments. However with clever use of equalization you can significantly alter the sound of the stereo audio track thus highlighting the sound of individual instruments. There are also third party tools that mask the original instrument sound, or sounds, and replace the original sound with a sampled drum sound. Do an internet search using the term "drum replacement VST or app".
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#456566 - 02/09/18 01:15 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Jim Fogle]
BIABDEX Offline
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Thanks for your reply.
"If you are using MIDI drums then you can adjust the velocity level for each instrument part like snare, kick, high-hat and so on. There is also some MIDI tools that can automate changing velocity."
Where is it?
Do your mean "edith the current style" where I have to change all the velocity numbers? With each Pattern?
This would be incredibly uncomfortable.

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#456576 - 02/09/18 02:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: BIABDEX]
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It should be possible to export the drum track out to a midi file and adjust the individual parts "hi hat", "snare", "kick drum" etc. pull the midi into a daw in the midi file each part appears as a note on its own line. Kick drum note C, snare maybe D and so on. In Sonar for example it is very easy to adjust the overall velocity of a part or the entire kit (or indeed volume if preferred). It is also very easy to randomise velocities within a range. I imagine most daws would have similar features.

Just a thought

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#456582 - 02/09/18 03:52 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: BIABDEX]
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Hello BIABDEX

If you go to - Preferences > Drum kit > check Set Drum Volumes > Set Drum Kit Volumes - you can do what you are looking for in Midi Drums

Just experiment with this option

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Edited by Jazzman (02/09/18 05:30 AM)
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#456758 - 02/10/18 06:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Jazzman]
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First and foremost, I am a 100% consumer of Real Drums.
I don't do any midi drums at all inside biab.

But, It would be a great thing to get more control over real drums.

As mentiones, a volume mixer would be a great for all the items in the current kit

Perhaps also A simple/complex slidebar (or wahtever UI object) to change the complexity of the groove being played.

For example, the drummers capability in Apple's Logic Pro X are quite compelling.
It would be fantastic to have some of those capabilities in BIAB.

Just saying, perhaps we could spin up a wish list item for the Real Drums
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#456802 - 02/10/18 10:32 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: mrgeeze]
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Perform a search and you'll find multi-track RealDrums has been requested multiple times in the Wishlist forum.

Since RealDrums are stereo audio files I can't think of any way other than heavy use of frequency limited equalization bands to highlight or suppress specific instruments within a drum set. There are programs that perform just that function but they are pretty expensive ($99 to $150 US). These programs typically take the next step and replace the individual instrument sounds with triggered samples so the music producer can have the exact sound desired. +++ HERE +++ is a Sound-On-Sound article that explains the process very well.

In general I believe adding frequency band equalization would add an expensive feature to Band-in-a-Box that I'm not willing to pay the cost for.

Some people desiring to have more control over the drum sounds heard in their music abandon RealDrums and resort to the use of drum loops by +++ Drum Drops +++, +++ Drums On Demand +++ and +++ Beta Monkey +++ or use a virtual drummer like +++ RealiDrums +++, +++ EZ Drummer +++ and +++ Steven Slate +++
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#456824 - 02/10/18 12:06 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Jazzman]
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Originally Posted By: Jazzman
Hello BIABDEX

If you go to - Preferences > Drum kit > check Set Drum Volumes > Set Drum Kit Volumes - you can do what you are looking for in Midi Drums


Just note that this feature which works fine for MIDI Drums is a global setting and not a song dependent setting.

It would make much sense to have a song dependent setting.
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#456867 - 02/10/18 04:37 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Another option would be in a DAW to copy the drum track a few times then EQ each track to bring out one of the drums while suppressing the others. You can use any EQ program to do this, including the one that comes with your DAW. This includes RB.
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#456868 - 02/10/18 04:40 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: MarioD]
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Ah Mario, I was saving that suggestion until the very last. No need to share all the secrets Recording Revolution has to offer! smile
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#456881 - 02/10/18 06:42 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Jim Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: Jim Fogle
Ah Mario, I was saving that suggestion until the very last. No need to share all the secrets Recording Revolution has to offer! smile


OK Jim, I'll say nothing about using reverb in a bus. I'll leave that for you wink
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#456918 - 02/11/18 04:11 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: John-Luke]
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Hi John-Luke

Agree - it would make so much more sense if it were song dependant as right now you set it up for one style and get a different result with another

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#456930 - 02/11/18 05:33 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: BIABDEX]
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It's one of the reasons why I use MIDI drums almost exclusively.

I export to a sequencer/DAW and have complete control of every drum instrument.

I can highlight or choose any drum note in the change filter and make it louder or softer by an arbitrary number or a percentage.

Plus, with a simple drag and drop I can even turn the cymbal into a cowbell, a snare into a side-stick, a shaker into a hi-hat or whatever a want.

I can move certain beats or sub-beats to change the groove, turn a gentle swing into a hard swing, rush or drag the weak beats, and nudge certain drum instruments a couple of tics ahead of the others. I find pushing the hi-hat a couple of ticks ahead will make it come out of the mix a little better without turning it up. There are dozens more tricks I've discovered or read about.

I can even change drum kits to one more appropriate for the song I'm working on.

MIDI is thousands of times more editable than Audio and with a good sound module the MIDI parts can sound 90% or more as good as the real instrument, so close that 99.99% of your audience can't tell the difference. So with the editing capabilities, you can end up with better, more expressive music with MIDI.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Of course, there is more than one right way to make music, and my way might not be the best way for you.

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#456941 - 02/11/18 06:58 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: Notes Norton]
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I'm with Notes. MIDI is the perfect choice for drums as drums are one instrument that MIDI emulates perfectly. Plus the sound source does not have to be expensive. Even some of the free drum kits available sound great.
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#456957 - 02/11/18 08:17 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: drumset mixer? [Re: BIABDEX]
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If it’s RealDrums, and the premade drum mix bothered me enough, I would work on individual sounds using an EQ plugin set to a very narrow Q. Something really offensive like a loud cymbal, say.

And there’s always Melodyne Editor if this needs to be taken to a possibly insane level.

If you have found a RealDrum that you think is actually wrong, with a clearly wrong mix on the kit, you can report it to PG Music. If they agree, they can remix it and issue a patch. This has occurred a couple of time in testing. Although it was rare that several of us would agree on the need for change, when we did, they adjusted it. I don’t think this has happened since the early days of RealDrums, but it’s possible.
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