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I was once doing a series of rehearsals to see if I wanted to join a band behind a girl singer. When I went through her song list, I saw a small handful of the cliches, but When I got to Carrie Underwood's "Before He Cheats" I told her that I flatly refuse to do that song and I felt so strongly about it that I would pass on doing the band rather than sacrifice my principles. I refuse to do a song that rationalizes and glorifies felony domestic violence. Whether "he cheats" or not, it is a criminal act to take a baseball bat to his car, and that song sent the message that it is okay to do so. She told me that I needed to loosen my ponytail (of course meaning "lighten up"). She also wanted to The Divinyls "I Touch Myself". Nope!!
I also refuse to be in a band that performs "Cocaine". I was in a band years ago that insisted on doing some stupid "Rodeo Song" with the lyric
It's 40 below and I don't give a ****
Got a heater in my truck
And I'm off to the rodeo
They insisted on doing the song, and when they did I stepped off the stage. I refuse to be a part of gratuitous vulgarity at that level. Just because the crowd goes "Tee hee hee did you hear them say ****"?" doesn't make it okay. I won't be involved with any song that glorifies alcoholism, drugs, domestic violence, violence of any kind.... If you have to play covers, there are plenty of songs that avoid those topics. I don't think there is any reason to go to the level of lowest common denominator that way.
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eddie:
It's hard to know where to draw the line on vulgarity or "propane language" as a former band member used to call it. Is it OK to use dam* and hel|? Do you keep lyrics "Mary Poppins" clean or choose only songs that would garner a "G" rating?
I think you have to, as you said, stick to your principles on what is crude and offensive, and obviously keep in mind your audience. Playing a wedding where there's children around is quite different from playing a honky-tonk bar. I've gone so far as to make Bad Bad Leroy Brown the baddest man in the whole darn town!
Here's a similar thought.
What do you do about being "politically correct"? I don't mean anything to do with politics, that's a whole different kettle of fish. What I'm thinking of is a situation where we were having a "campfire jam" at a friend's place and someone asked for "Squaws Along The Yukon".
Since it's an old family favourite of MY family, I didn't even think twice about it. Found out afterwards that one of the "guests" at that party was Metis and highly offended. Since it has no "swears" in it, and to me, it's just a good old country love song, I thought nothing of it.
I see the point, however it's hard to know where to set the line. So I should take "Kawliga" and "Running Bear" off the list too? What about the "Battle of New Orleans"? Surely someone should be offended by that one nowadays.
Where will it end?
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Good thought Lloyd. In this namby pamby world today where people just hate their lives and actively seek things to be offended by it's hard, so I just saw screw it and saw whatever I like. And my face is right here if you want to try to punch it. Note, I said try. You could sing Mary Had A Little lamb and some feminazi would start explaining to us that it's Mary's body and her right to have all the lambs she wants to. When somebody cares to clean up the lyrics to rap music, come and talk to me then. I have a mouth like a longshoreman and those rap lyrics are embarrassing to me. Take 10 steps out your day and call a black woman any of the lyrics you hear in every rap song and you will have police at your house in 5 minutes and protesters preparing signs. Meanwhile, remember that none of that is against any laws. While it is not a good thing to be racist, sexist, or any of those "ists", there is no law against it. You can be the biggest, meanest, angriest jerk in the world, and you break no laws doing it. Just because some specific behavior is distasteful doesn't make it illegal. So, where some band might think it's cool or funny to drop F bombs, because the audience is likely comprised of generally stupid people who giggle and say "Tee hee hee... he said F***!!!, I think it to be unnecessary and totally classless. As I said, when that band started to play that "40 below and I don't give a F*** Got a heater in my truck" song, I just stepped off stage. I don't want to be associated with that lowest common denominator behavior. Remember too that this poster doesn't smoke, doesn't drink (24 years dry) and has never done a drug in almost 67 years of life. A lot of people think I am uppity and need to remove the stick, or wear a less-stuffed shirt without so much starch in the collar, choose your metaphor. I am fairly well educated and proud of my command of the English language, so I don't need vulgarity to debate someone into submission. As soon as the vulgarity starts, I win because they are out of intelligent logic when they turn to vulgarity. Most people don't understand, or possibly don't WANT to understand, that you can't judge the world in 2018 by what the norms were in the 1600s. It's not the same world. So what was normal then is considered racist or sexist now. Vulgarity hasn't changed much though...  And to answer your question, I personally am not politically correct. I abuse everyone equally.
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Eddie, I agree with you in principle.
As you know, I'm all for doing what the audience wants, but I too have my limits.
I haven't had a request for "Before He Cheats" but I'd pass on that one too.
I refused to do "Let's Get Drunk And Screw" and "Strokin'" because I think they would be offensive to some of the audience members, and I'm just not comfortable singing those lyrics.
I don't have to worry about doing rap music of any kind, as a 'middle aged' white guy I can't talk that fast and nobody in my targeted audience wants to hear it.
I'm not a prude and have been known to cuss like a sailor, but I think there is a time, place, and situation for everything, and on stage in front of a mixed audience is not the place.
There are those who disagree and have a right to do so, but they can have those gigs.
Many years ago we played in a lounge on Sunday afternoons. There was a small, rooftop bar where a single act played. It was close to the beach so the idea was for advertising. They hired a guy who changed the words to the songs he sang to make them vulgar, mostly graphically sexy and misogynist. The owner liked him, and he brought a regular crowd to the rooftop who laughed with him. I admit it was all done for fun and shock-value comedy and in the right place it might have worked.
But people coming to the lounge downstairs and having to hear it on the way from their car to the lounge quit coming and they went out of business. Not the right place for that kind of an act.
We had a request for "Nae Nae" and it isn't going to happen for a different reason, I just don't want to.
We do Christmas gigs and play a lot of seasonal songs, but keep to the secular side of the genre. I know that in my audience there are Christians, Jews, and representatives from probably a half dozen other faiths, so I think it is inappropriate to sing about Jesus. I keep it to Santa, home for the holidays, chestnuts, white Christmas and other non-religious titles.
I'm pretty much an "I'll play anything that gets requested often enough" entertainer, but I do draw the line. I should make that "ALMOST anything".
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Being a red neck biker musician from Florida I see nothing wrong with many of the songs mentioned above. If you don't want to play them that up to you. I however have no problem in the right company. Now of coarse I would never play the "Rodeo Song" in the presence of children but I've heard "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw" and "Strokin" ever since they came out as a young child. (Yes, I'm showing my age lol)
I guess where I draw the line is the amount of profanity in a song and what crowd you are playing it for. I may not like a lot of modern rap and their excessive use of profanity but every song has its place. (Not my place but it has a place) Therefore the way I look at it is if you don't want to play it someone else will. You can be picky if you want but don't get upset when someone else gets the gig you didn't want.
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On the other hand it is also sad to see a song have the lyrics butchered in the interests of so called “political correctness”. We cannot say this or that anymore because someone may be offended when it is quite clear that is not the intention or indeed the meaning of the song.
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Being a red neck biker musician from Florida I see nothing wrong with many of the songs mentioned above. If you don't want to play them that up to you. I however have no problem in the right company. Now of coarse I would never play the "Rodeo Song" in the presence of children but I've heard "Why Don't We Get Drunk and Screw" and "Strokin" ever since they came out as a young child. (Yes, I'm showing my age lol)
I guess where I draw the line is the amount of profanity in a song and what crowd you are playing it for. I may not like a lot of modern rap and their excessive use of profanity but every song has its place. (Not my place but it has a place) Therefore the way I look at it is if you don't want to play it someone else will. You can be picky if you want but don't get upset when someone else gets the gig you didn't want. Same here! I'll bet that you also played Jimmy buffet's "Where You Born an A-hole". We did depending on the audience.
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Eddie,
I agree with you. Songs are a powerful medium. Bob Dylan, gospel music, work songs, and many, many other songs have left no doubt about how significant the medium is.
Personally, I have no room in my listening collection for songs that justify and/or promote violence, glorify drug taking, sensationalize seedy sex, etc., etc. I've never understood why anyone would want to add legitimacy to those aspects of life that cause nothing but damage to people.
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