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Good Evening Everyone,

I have installed BIAB on two Windows 10 computers, a desktop and a laptop. I don't have a soundcard on either, and my output are USB Audio Engine powered speakers. I don't have any MIDI keyboard inputs. I'm using BIAB strictly as practice play along. If you need more hardware details, I can supply.

On both computers when I switch styles from Real Tracks to MIDI tracks there is no audio output for the MIDI tracks even though the indicator lights for each track in the mixer are engaged. Now when I audition the MIDI style in the Style Picker, there is a Yellow MIDI drum track, but when It is played back it is a Green Real Track and that's the only instrument I hear. If I save, close BIAB and restart BIAB, and load the song, I can hear all the MIDI tracks, and my drums are still a Real track. The two Styles are listed below.

Temptns2 M 4/4 ev8 105 Temptns2 - 60s Ev.8 Med-Slow Groove R&B Pop 70 2005-02 48 MIDI
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Any thoughts. I hope I explained this clearly.

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MIDI is just a set of instructions and requires either a hardware or software synth to make a sound. If you’ve had BIAB for at least four years, I hope you had something to play MIDI. Tell us what you selected in Options, Preferences, MIDI Driver, middle column (output). Also in that same window, is DXi checked?

There is a setting in BIAB that replaces MIDI Drums with RealDrums when it’s a better choice. I’ll try to find the setting so you can choose to use this feature or not.


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Without having a MIDI external hardware device connected, you can use what's known as a VSTi to create the sounds internally in software. The CoyoteWT is one such VSTi (I think this is free) but there are many others with improved sounds, depending on your requirements.

To use an internal VSTi instead of an external MIDI hardware device, go to Options > MIDI/Audio Driver Setup, and select an installed VSTi as shown:

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Hello Video Track,

I did not have the Microsoft Wave Table as my MIDI Output Driver. I have selected it and my setting are now the same as yours, but I'm getting the same results with this message.

The MIDI THRU part played by you on MIDI keyboard (& QWERTY keyboard wizard) will now use the MIDI Driver DURING PLAYBACK (not a DxI synth). Note: If using ASIO, this setting is ignored [2021.814.0, 2021-02-01 6:56:53 AM]

Thanks for your response

Steve

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Thanks for your response Matt.

I have played MIDI before and have encountered this problem before. My solution was to give up and find a Real Track Style to practice with. I would like solve this problem now so I can experiment more with different styles.

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Can you post a picture of your audio settings? This is where the problem may lie.

I have used the MIDI side of BiaB for decades and I have never had this problem, but with patience and the help from this forum I am positive we can find the solution.


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are you sure you have selected the coyote?

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Originally Posted By: MarioD
Can you post a picture of your audio settings? This is where the problem may lie.

I have used the MIDI side of BiaB for decades and I have never had this problem, but with patience and the help from this forum I am positive we can find the solution.


Thanks for your response.

I'm trying to add photos of the Audio and MIDI settings. I hope this works.

Steve

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are you sure you have selected the coyote?


Yes I have. Check photo

Thanks for your response

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Have you tried replacing WAS drivers with MME drivers?

Your sound card in on the motherboard. It is probably a RealTek sound card. Look on the bottom right taskbar for RealTek's HD Audio Manager and see what the settings are there.

Also have you tried saving the tracks as a MIDI file? If not try that and see if said MIDI file will play in the media player or in any other player.

FYI - After rereading your initial message this hit me, "Now when I audition the MIDI style in the Style Picker, there is a Yellow MIDI drum track, but when It is played back it is a Green Real Track and that's the only instrument I hear. If I save, close BIAB and restart BIAB, and load the song, I can hear all the MIDI tracks, and my drums are still a Real track." I have had the identical thing happen to me. I have tried to locate the problem but so far no luck. I have even opened the song in the VST and moved all of the MIDI tracks and the drum MIDI track to my DAW and sometimes the MIDI drum track works and sometimes it doesn't. I even have had BiaB loose my audio interface so I had to save file, restart BiaB, load file, and then all is good. Go figure!


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Steve, here’s a different approach.

Some people have reported problems using MIDI with recent builds of BIAB 2021, particularly those who use external MIDI synths. What build are you using? Have you updated to build 818?


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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Steve, here’s a different approach.

Some people have reported problems using MIDI with recent builds of BIAB 2021, particularly those who use external MIDI synths. What build are you using? Have you updated to build 818?


I'm running 814. My "Check for Updates is telling me I'm up to date.

Steve

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Originally Posted By: MarioD
Have you tried replacing WAS drivers with MME drivers?

Your sound card in on the motherboard. It is probably a RealTek sound card. Look on the bottom right taskbar for RealTek's HD Audio Manager and see what the settings are there.

Also have you tried saving the tracks as a MIDI file? If not try that and see if said MIDI file will play in the media player or in any other player.

FYI - After rereading your initial message this hit me, "Now when I audition the MIDI style in the Style Picker, there is a Yellow MIDI drum track, but when It is played back it is a Green Real Track and that's the only instrument I hear. If I save, close BIAB and restart BIAB, and load the song, I can hear all the MIDI tracks, and my drums are still a Real track." I have had the identical thing happen to me. I have tried to locate the problem but so far no luck. I have even opened the song in the VST and moved all of the MIDI tracks and the drum MIDI track to my DAW and sometimes the MIDI drum track works and sometimes it doesn't. I even have had BiaB loose my audio interface so I had to save file, restart BiaB, load file, and then all is good. Go figure!


This is the Drum Track that doesn't wish to vacate the mixer:

PraiseWorshipSlow16ths^ ^ Pop Country Ev 16 060 100 x Shannon Forrest Ntn135

Your sound card in on the motherboard. It is probably a RealTek sound card. Look on the bottom right taskbar for RealTek's HD Audio Manager and see what the settings are there.

See Photo of RealTek Audio Manager message. I'm using Audio Engine powered speakers with a USB connection. Does this help?

Thanks

Steve

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Originally Posted By: SteveMc
I'm running 814. My "Check for Updates is telling me I'm up to date.

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Build 818 can be downloaded from this page


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Originally Posted By: SteveMc
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See Photo of RealTek Audio Manager message. I'm using Audio Engine powered speakers with a USB connection. Does this help?

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Steve


Sorry Steve but I have no experience with Audio Engine powered speakers. But like you said you can get sound out of it I think the problem is with BiaB, i.e. much like my issues.


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Thanks Video Track

I installed build 818. Switched from a Real Style to a MIDI style and all tracks everything played back.

I will update if problem happens again

Thanks everyone for taking the time

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Originally Posted By: Matt Finley
Steve, here’s a different approach.

Some people have reported problems using MIDI with recent builds of BIAB 2021, particularly those who use external MIDI synths. What build are you using? Have you updated to build 818?


Thanks Matt

I installed build 818. Switched from a Real Style to a MIDI style and all tracks everything played back. The Real Drum track was still in the mixer. I think you are right about a box being checked. Could it be at the bottom of the Audio Settings "Correct Real Drums Sync"?

I will update if problem happens again

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Thanks Video Track

I installed build 818. Switched from a Real Style to a MIDI style and all tracks everything played back.

I will update if problem happens again

Thanks everyone for taking the time

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Excellent news.
(The "Check for updates" apparently incorporates some date stamp check also. I think it only does the test after a specific time has elapsed since the last test/update.)


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The Check for Updates only gives updates that are newer but not considered to be beta versions. PG Music seems to consider the newest release to be a beta version, at least for several days. So, I always go to the website to check, just as VideoTrack said.


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Back to another thing I said earlier, look at your setting in Options, Preferences, RealDrums. Midway down it says "Substitute RealDrums for MIDI drums" and then gives you choices if you check the checkbox.


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