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I want to use tracks i created in BIAB for live gigs, looking for input on process, should I save tracks as wave files to another device or just use BIAB for playback.
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Lots of info/approaches about this subject on this forum.
I have a relatively simple workflow to produce backing tracks for my work as an instrumental musician.
I create my basic arrangement in biab using real Tracks. No midi.
I take the .wav file biab output as single tracks per instrument into my daw(logic).
There I mix, eq, automation, limit, etc to output a 320kbps mp3 file for performance.
I use Anytune Pro on my tablet or phone to manage and play the tracks behind my guitar.
Pretty simple stuff.
Others do differently.
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Yes, this topic has been brought up many times.... you can do a search.
I think most folks around here prefer to render their BIAB/RB tracks to a high quality .MP3 as you can play it from so many devices.
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I'd like to use a foot pedal though to start, stop and change tracks.
I'm doing the vocals and guitar so I mainly want just some bass, drums and occasional piano
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i use an Irig Blueboard Bluetooth Pedal to control the playback software at the gig
4 pads on the pedal.
Configurable in the software.
I set mine upas follows:
start/stop playbacck
next track
previous track
loop section on/off (I loop sections of songs for improvising)
You can even add an expression pedal to control volume on the Blueboard
I tried it a couple of times but it was more complicated I liked. A bit of latency was annoying.
Now I focus on EQ and Limiting (LUFS) of my tracks during creation. The need to up/down volume at a gig (after initial sound check) has all but disappeared.
There's some discussions here regarding loudness penalty and programs like mp3gain to produce tracks that have consistent volume. That's a skill you'll want to acquire when using tracks to play out.
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"Live Gigs" I've heard talk about these.....a long time ago.... Now, if you had said "Live DJ", that would be more apropos.  Regards, Bob
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My advice is to travel light and keep it simple.
Convert the song files to waves and use your favorite wave player.
I recommend a backup plan as well. MP3s on your phone for example.
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GuitarHacker makes an important point
Backups are a necessity. Both in the studio and at the gig.
Not only another set of audio files but a way to hook into your performance rig. Quickly.
My approach is again, simple.
I use the same playback software and mp3's on my PC (mac), tablet, and my phone.
I coordinate track files, track settings and setlists easily on all devices .
The playback software (Anytune) on my Mac(BIAB and my DAW also reside) is the master.
I do all my testing in the studio then propagate the results to both of my performance devices (slaves).
Anytune makes this multi-device replication very easy.
I have one set of files replicated across n devices. I store a copy in the cloud because I'm a pessimist.
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My advice is to travel light and keep it simple. This! From what I've seen, our more successful giggers tend to use a tablet of some sort to play MP3/wav/etc files from. We have an iPhone/iPad app that can serve this purpose, or you can use any audio player app. I personally wouldn't gig with a Windows machine unless I absolutely had to, and unless I had two. If you only need something that plays your song and don't need any sort of show control, VST's, or any of that sort, stick to the simplest device you can get away with.
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What I would like to be able is to define parts in BB, like intro, chorus, verse, bridge, end, and be able to select them with a foot switch.
On a live gig, I like to have guest so I'd like to able to loop more chorus, or chorus+verse than originally planned.
In short, I cannot know the exact sequence of part/sections I'll need that day.
That's why mp3 won't work.
Does that exists ?
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It's already possible to set "bar based section letter". Is there a possibility to tell band in box, while playing, "when you'll finish this part, jump to the section X" ?
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Here's a 2 minute video explaining how you can do pretty much all of that at your gigs. I know, I do it now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4XcsYySauIThe software mentioned is free on IOS and Android I think its $20 on Mac. I believe there is some upcharge ($5) for some features you may need. All in all, a pittance for the service it delivers The bluetooth pedal mentioned costs $100. Might be worth 2 minutes of your life to evaluate.
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This is all interesting but does anybody use BIAB live on stage. Seems PG has developed several interesting features for that purpose. Like the conductor and the idea of not freezing the tracks to obtain small differences in the track to obtain a more lifelike quality.
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i agree with simon. convert to mp3s so you can have an ipod, back up on your phone and another ipod sourced cheaply off ebay
the benefits of being able to change the song on the fly don't outweigh the horrendous risks of failure.
i found it difficult to remember which guitar patches to use on my processor playing live without a note on the music and all it takes is momentary distraction for you to get lost. on the other hand you might be more clever than me.
with a live band you can change the order of a song by talking but that flexibility is lost once AI takes over.
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I put all my BIAB tracks into Reaper where I mix and “master” them. I set all my tracks to about -14LUFS then export them. I convert the wav files to MP3 @ 320bps. I generate the words and chord sheets in a program called SongBook Pro. Each song has a pointer to the MP3. I start the song scrolling and start the MP3. The words and chords appear as required. These are all on a 2 in 1 tablet/laptop.
On the tablet/laptop I have Overloud THU setup for my guitar. I control THU with a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot controller which allows various “stomp boxes”, Volume and auto Wah rates to be controlled.
The guitar and the MP3s are balanced in the PC and go via an external audio interface which is plugged into a PA. All balanced and requiring minimal effort (usually no interference) when doing a gig.
Very simple setup that works for me.
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Teunis makes an important point regarding output leveling all your tracks to the same volume. Nothing is more annoying at a gig (both to you and the crowd) than volumes that jump all around the place.
A free utility mp3Gain has helped me much in this regard. It is available for both Win and Mac.
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so nobody uses the conductor feature on live gigs?
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i agree with simon. convert to mp3s so you can have an ipod, back up on your phone and another ipod sourced cheaply off ebay
the benefits of being able to change the song on the fly don't outweigh the horrendous risks of failure. Exactly. My thinking with this is - which one crashes more often for you, your computer or your iPod\iPad\tablet\etc? I'll assume it's the computer. so nobody uses the conductor feature on live gigs? We do know of a number of users who do - I suppose they just aren't here to comment on this thread!
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Just like the space shuttle, redundancy is the only real answer to electronic failures. No matter how one creates and uses backing tracks, sooner or later something will fail no matter what sort of equipment you use. Other than a complete PA failure the last resort backup is a guitar amp and a very loud vocal...lol or an instrumental till a break to fix the issue. I have never had a PA failure. I always carry a backup guitar amp and two or three guitars. Extra microphones and chords. Chords fail pretty often if you don't know how to take care of them. I also am on the hunt for the best equipment/processes I can afford for a duo. I want to use Auto-Tune and other computer-based FXs plus the backing tracks. Auto-Tune requires a different setup for every key change for example but is programmable with midi. It also can cause problems when you are just talking. I am finding really good backing tracks are not easy to acquire unless you can play all the instruments or have tons of money to have studio musicians produce them. Reliable equipment exists but the better you get the more it costs in general. Having a setlist pre-programmed with midi and a way to pause it and micro loop with a footswitch and stuff like that gets really complex....at least to me. Bob "Notes" has been doing this for years and is a good guy to ask about these issues. My younger friends use their iPhones for everything. I would pitch mine off the nearest bridge if I could get away with it. I really dislike the thing. Old guy thinking...lol Here is a video that has some good ideas for a simple setup. https://youtu.be/GGRgkYFTR_kBilly
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Just like the space shuttle, redundancy is the only real answer to electronic failures. No matter how one creates and uses backing tracks, sooner or later something will fail no matter what sort of equipment you use. Other than a complete PA failure the last resort backup is a guitar amp and a very loud vocal...lol or an instrumental till a break to fix the issue. I have never had a PA failure. I always carry a backup guitar amp and two or three guitars. Extra microphones and chords. Chords fail pretty often if you don't know how to take care of them. I also am on the hunt for the best equipment/processes I can afford for a duo. I want to use Auto-Tune and other computer-based FXs plus the backing tracks. Auto-Tune requires a different setup for every key change for example but is programmable with midi. It also can cause problems when you are just talking. I am finding really good backing tracks are not easy to acquire unless you can play all the instruments or have tons of money to have studio musicians produce them. Reliable equipment exists but the better you get the more it costs in general. Having a setlist pre-programmed with midi and a way to pause it and micro loop with a footswitch and stuff like that gets really complex....at least to me. Bob "Notes" has been doing this for years and is a good guy to ask about these issues. My younger friends use their iPhones for everything. I would pitch mine off the nearest bridge if I could get away with it. I really dislike the thing. Old guy thinking...lol Here is a video that has some good ideas for a simple setup. https://youtu.be/GGRgkYFTR_kBilly One of the best nights I can remember is we were well into a gig and the region received a major blackout. No power = no PA no Amps. What to do? Well we simply sat on a table in the middle of the auditorium got out a couple of acoustics and my ole banjo started doing some songs (we had 4 piece harmonies.) within no time a heap of people were singing along and we had a great party. As I said one of the best nights I can recall. Where there’s a will there’s a way (or a relative). Tony
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Zansongs asks about foot pedals to start, stop, and change tracks. This is something I'd like to hear more about, too. I use a portable digital recorder, recently upograded to a Zoom-R-16. It can input, ride, and record 8 simultaneous tracks, though I've never pushed it. Point is, it's own mini soundboard. Alternatively, those mini mixers Rob Brown talks about (above) are very handy to have around, at some scarifice of compactness.
I've seen foot controllers. My recorder has jack for one.
Anybody here pushed that idea to the limit?
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best advice i was ever given was to avoid plastic jack plugs. i found out why when i stepped on one before it was plugged in
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EdShaw, i perform using an irig blueboard bluetooth pedal.
I've used one for about 3 years. Battery powered.
it allows me to program midi signals via bluetooth to a number of software packages. For performance I use Anytune Pro.
Normally I setup the 4 pedal board in the following order
start/stop tune, next tune, previous tune, loop on/loop off.
I create a loop area around solo chorus so I can indulge myself as long as I dare. You could also use it to next/prev loop in a song if you had multiple loops.
This works great for the software I use to play my tracks.
It also connects to an expression pedal. I purchased a cheap expression pedal for about $30 and gave it a go. I tried both volume and pan. I found the latency too annoying and gave up early. Perhaps if I had worked with it a bit I would have found it a better experience. However, the complexity/reward ration for another item in the chain was honestly pretty low, for me anyway.
A lot of folks also use these pedals for transcription. I could see where they would be very useful for that also. But I am too lazy to transcribe.
As mentioned earlier, i keep the same software and tracks on 2 ios devices (Ipad, Iphone). I keep setlists up to date synchronizing through the cloud.
Its about a hundred years more convenient that trying to use biab and a PC at a gig.
But that's just me. I've been known to use bluetooth instead of a cable to my PA.
Not always, but sometimes. Gotta keep the cable police guessing.
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