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15/12/21 UPDATEMore vocal, more bvox, more bass, fewer FX...still a sappy lead though. 15/12/21 MIX Grievous Bodily Harm My good friend Eric visited today..he tracked a 12 acoustic in the middle of the verses and a Gibson LP through a Marshall to add some heft n rhythm to the choruses. I did try to get him to do a lead but as much as he enjoy LP -> BIG MUFF -> Marshall he declined. I've lifted the vocal 1.5dB, pulled the tambourine back a little and tweaked the lead to fill in for the excised vocal at the beginning of the verses. V2 hello folks, this is a new, rockier, one that's almost done. BIAB drums and Gospel vocals in this one so far. 110 bpm only two chords in the verse and three in the chorus. The lead is a one string wonder, (Squire Mustang into Big Fluff into Marshall), place holder as I've an old friend visiting tomorrow. I think the chorus vocals might pass muster but the verses are pretty ratty - I tried for aggressive and it didn't work. There were LOTS of words in the lyric but I've progressively parred them to what exists now...the "narrative" seems to hold together despite the lack of syllables. the harvest starts again wide eyed in the rain The same strange fruit The same sick seed the harvest march again wild eyed in the rain standing on the world's edge standing on the window ledge pushed passed the truth burying their youth ignore the real crime one last time That's what I see That's what I know Just to begin with. Losing sleep my baby? You're wide awake in bed And there are no 2nd prizes, no 2nd prizes Same strange fruit Same sick seed Same anonymous source the Qpons that you need standing on the knife's edge standing on the window ledge pushed past as truth arm their youth we pardoned the real crime Profit takes every time That's when I see That's when I know Just to go on with. solo the harvest starts again wide eyed in the rain The same strange fruit The same sick seed the harvest march again wild eyed in the rain standing on the ocean's edge standing on the tidal ledge pushed alternate truth burying our youth we bought all the big lies as earth dies That's all I see That's all I know Just to end with. Losing sleep my baby? You're wide awake in bed And there are no 2nd prizes, no 2nd prizes Same strange fruit Same sick seed Same anonymous source the Qpons that you need Any and all suggestions will be attempted.
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You couldn't muster an aggressive vocal for a song titled Grievous Bodily Harm? I disagree. There can be a lot of suggested aggression in a whisper. The verse vocal sounds perfect, although a bit too far back in the mix for my tastes. I'm on my 2nd listen now, and forgot what you said about the 2 and 3 chord arrangement, Ha, no other chords were needed for sure. I really like the bg voices toward the end --and, man that ending is perfect.
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ray,
VERY cool overall band sound. A single entity unto itself.
LOVE the drum sound! (what RD is that?).
Guitars sound good. Nice bass line - I thought it could be slightly louder/punchier.
I could not understand the lyrics.
Listened again while reading the lyrics. Then, it is easy to hear them - they are well enunciated. SO...not being able to understand them at first might not mean anything for the style...perhaps perfectly suitable.
And I like the vocal!!
The shaker (or tambourine?) is a little loud (very little) once your ear detects it (I did not hear it at first).
That's all I've got for now.
Cool stuff.
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I like the band track and guitar this is built upon.
I'm with the other comments about the lyrics being lost though.
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HI Ray ...
Yeah ... pretty cool piece of music! The band rocks. And I'm with the folks who think the vocal needs come a little more forward in the mix. Nevertheless, it's a terrific song!
Take care ...
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You couldn't muster an aggressive vocal for a song titled Grievous Bodily Harm? I disagree. There can be a lot of suggested aggression in a whisper. The verse vocal sounds perfect, although a bit too far back in the mix for my tastes. I'm on my 2nd listen now, and forgot what you said about the 2 and 3 chord arrangement, Ha, no other chords were needed for sure. I really like the bg voices toward the end --and, man that ending is perfect. Thanks Marty, I "wanted" to come across like Iggy on Fun House aggressive. I like the whisper idea though.
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Sounds good. The band keeps a strong beat, especially that drummer. Cool lyrics. It sounds like it's coming along to me.
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ray,
VERY cool overall band sound. A single entity unto itself.
LOVE the drum sound! (what RD is that?).
Guitars sound good. Nice bass line - I thought it could be slightly louder/punchier.
I could not understand the lyrics.
Listened again while reading the lyrics. Then, it is easy to hear them - they are well enunciated. SO...not being able to understand them at first might not mean anything for the style...perhaps perfectly suitable.
And I like the vocal!!
The shaker (or tambourine?) is a little loud (very little) once your ear detects it (I did not hear it at first).
That's all I've got for now.
Cool stuff.
fj Thanks FJ, The drums are RealDrums90s^01 a Closed hat etc. I duplicated that drum track, added the TINNIEST amount of delay, (all wet on the double - no dry...ADT works almost as well), to it and set a HEAVY low pass at around 300Hz...that gives a very solid bottom end with a hint of dual drummers. The tambourine is a weird one - yes inaudible until heard and then TOO much...weird. I'll spend time on that, thanks.
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Ray,
(V2) This coming together pretty strong! A lot of cool and unique musical textures. Seems you worked very hard on this tune. I know you take some elements with tight precision. This is my "average listener" opinion.
I think tambourine still a bit loud. I would like to hear vocals and bass more upfront.
Thank you for sharing.
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I don't really know the style, but I agree the vocals seem a bit back in the mix. Punchy drums. As you said, the tambourine goes between too little and a touch too much. Then again, I could be measuring that against the vocals, which seem easy to drown out. Interesting sound. Loooooong ending! 
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I'll go with floyd's comments - perhaps a touch louder on the vocal.
Some nice spaces for a guitar solo or 2.
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Hi Ray ...
I listened to this last night but ran out of time to leave a comment. It's a most interest collection of tracks and production. The tambourine didn't bother me all that much. Perhaps it's because at almost 75, my ears don't tune in as precisely on the upper EQs as they once did. But, I enjoyed the entire piece. Yep, vocals could be a bit more forward in the mix. Like me, you often talk down about your vocals. But, I think they sound fine on this one.
A very pleasant bit of interesting music.
Take care ...
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Hi Ray, I've found out that it always makes sende to listen to your songs on different days before commenting, because there's always a lot to be heard. First of all: The drums are ace. I've always liked a fat sounding kit. (One German rock singer once anounced his drummer by 'This is our blacksmith driving home the nails today') Gee, that was great. There are drummers that play 'fat', yet very nuancedly - the late Mitch Mitchel was one of them. And I liked them to be mixed that much forward, along with the basss. When I read your lyrics I always come to the conclusion that my English is pretty limited - it's definitely not getting them prima vista. Sometimes at all  As to the volume of the vocals: You generally seem to be a bit shy with your singing, man. No need to - it fits your songs very well, and that's all she wrote. Like I said: There's a lot to prick up one's ears. And several times I thought: That must be influenced by... ah ... by ... ah... Couldn't figure it out, but that's no wonder as you seem to have a very wide knowledge of all kinds of music. Once something in the vocals made me think of Ozzy Osborne, but that may not have been your intention. (Although he definitely deserves his place in pop history, I think) A very (!) interesting listen, no: Sveral very interesting listens. Really well done,take care, Stefan
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I like the band track and guitar this is built upon.
I'm with the other comments about the lyrics being lost though.
moto Hope fully the 15/12 mix addresses that...thanks.
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Sounds good. The band keeps a strong beat, especially that drummer. Cool lyrics. It sounds like it's coming along to me. Thanks jptx3, The lyrics are constantly being whittles down...I hope I manage to leave some in the final version.
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Ray,
(V2) This coming together pretty strong! A lot of cool and unique musical textures. Seems you worked very hard on this tune. I know you take some elements with tight precision. This is my "average listener" opinion.
I think tambourine still a bit loud. I would like to hear vocals and bass more upfront.
Thank you for sharing.
Misha.
Thanks Misha, More bass, NO tambourine and more vox. I THINK I couldn't tell about the tambourine because it lives in my tinnitus zone.
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I don't really know the style, but I agree the vocals seem a bit back in the mix. Punchy drums. As you said, the tambourine goes between too little and a touch too much. Then again, I could be measuring that against the vocals, which seem easy to drown out. Interesting sound. Loooooong ending! "Style, we don't need no stinking style...!" Thanks dcunny, It's probably closest to something on Kill City by Iggy Pop & James Williamson...if anything at all. Kill City title track
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I'll go with floyd's comments - perhaps a touch louder on the vocal.
Some nice spaces for a guitar solo or 2.
Peter Thanks Peter, duly noted and applied.
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Hi Ray ...
I listened to this last night but ran out of time to leave a comment. It's a most interest collection of tracks and production. The tambourine didn't bother me all that much. Perhaps it's because at almost 75, my ears don't tune in as precisely on the upper EQs as they once did. But, I enjoyed the entire piece. Yep, vocals could be a bit more forward in the mix. Like me, you often talk down about your vocals. But, I think they sound fine on this one.
A very pleasant bit of interesting music.
Take care ...
Alan Thanks Alan, The tambourine sits in my tinnitus & dead hearing zone too.
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Hi Ray, First of all: The drums are ace. I've always liked a fat sounding kit. (One German rock singer once anounced his drummer by 'This is our blacksmith driving home the nails today') Gee, that was great. There are drummers that play 'fat', yet very nuancedly - the late Mitch Mitchel was one of them. And I liked them to be mixed that much forward, along with the basss. When I read your lyrics I always come to the conclusion that my English is pretty limited - it's definitely not getting them prima vista. Sometimes at all As to the volume of the vocals: You generally seem to be a bit shy with your singing, man. No need to - it fits your songs very well, and that's all she wrote. Like I said: There's a lot to prick up one's ears. And several times I thought: That must be influenced by... ah ... by ... ah... Couldn't figure it out, but that's no wonder as you seem to have a very wide knowledge of all kinds of music. Once something in the vocals made me think of Ozzy Osborne, but that may not have been your intention. (Although he definitely deserves his place in pop history, I think) A very (!) interesting listen, no: Sveral very interesting listens. Really well done,take care, Stefan Thanks Stefan, Lyrically it's a vague rant about the post Trump world and the damage done to it during those four years of unbridled greed, violence, environmental vandalism and illegality. Thanks for your kind words and perspective - always a joy to read.
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Rayc,
The music base sounds great to me—nothing to add. I tend to agree with those that would like that vocal to come out in front a bit more. It’s a solid vocal and clear—just a bit buried for my tastes. But that’s a stylistic thing—really depends on the sound you are going for. Impressive work on this.
All my best,
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Ray,
This track sounds really good to me! The vocals seem louder in the mix than past songs of yours that I've listened to and I like it! I also thought the guitars sounded great! Super job! Thanks. Torrey
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Sounds really cool!! I agree that vocal is very difficult to understand, although I love the fx on the vocal! Very well done!! Take care. Greg
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Rayc,
The music base sounds great to me—nothing to add. I tend to agree with those that would like that vocal to come out in front a bit more. It’s a solid vocal and clear—just a bit buried for my tastes. But that’s a stylistic thing—really depends on the sound you are going for. Impressive work on this.
All my best,
Deej
Thanks Deej, I've found someone else to sing this so buried vocals oughtn't be a problem in the next incarnation.
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Ray,
This track sounds really good to me! The vocals seem louder in the mix than past songs of yours that I've listened to and I like it! I also thought the guitars sounded great! Super job! Thanks. Torrey Thanks Torrey, i hope you're doing well in your very busy life...we need more TB music.
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Sounds really cool!! I agree that vocal is very difficult to understand, although I love the fx on the vocal! Very well done!! Take care. Greg That's the funny bit Greg, there're no FX on my voice other than compression.
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This sounds great now, the vox are up to a decent level and the song has lots of energy. Loved it! Way to go!
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"Style, we don't need no stinking style...!" Amen bro - roll your own. Excellent Ray ... all it needs is a good guitar solo  J&B
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