If it's JUCE it should have a VST version, did you ask them about that ? I see it has an audio stream vst but I suppose that would be much the same as ReaStream free vst. You should be able to drop Yamaha style sections in a Biab track and snap them to chord or key with the reajs.dll vst. That is a drawback with Biab, it's a pain in the *^(^ to drop n drag midi in.
Honestly, I believe approach should be taken at BIAB level for building own MIDI styles from various segments that will follow chord changes...
I don't have illusions, most likely BIAB will never have support for other arranger full MIDI styles, but I do believe in-house Midi style mixer/module should happen, as there just wealth of material waiting to be discovered.
Unless of course somebody comes up with super stable VST arranger that can take Yamaha based styles. As of now, the seat is vacant.
RapidComposer VST you can open Yamaha Styles save them to the library. Drag the chord track from Biab into RapidComposer Midi Import to give the same chords. I think they were planing on implementing it to just work with Yamaha styles. You can drag midi style tracks from Biab into RapidComposer and save them to the library then they will refit to any progression. You can Drag midi phrases from the internet and save to library. You can drag midi loops from EZKey, EZDrummer and EZBass and save to library. This will work with all midi not just Yamaha style midi.
Musocity, Yes, the general idea is what you are describing. There is also a company called Cognitone. In my view, they are significantly ahead of Rapid composer, and also have a way to working with Yamaha type styles.
However, for most people, the processes using 3rd party programs discussed in this thread would be a steep learning curve and only few would use it.
What I initially proposed is "in-house" module. BIAB had style functions (phrases following chords) way before EZkeys or Rapid composer were born. I believe with amazing synths available these days, MIDI phrase/style module should be given serious thought. Essentially EZkeys is a Midi phrase/loop module.
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I just updated RC and they seemed to have added more features since I last used it like saving phrases with controllers so might be worth looking at again especially now with great prices.
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Musocity, I am an average user, and I found RC pretty complicated and Cognitone too for that matter (I have Sparks, which is a cheaper / light version, still I find it pretty involved). While both are very capable, I am afraid these type of software titles are not for mainstream. ---
The module I proposed is in a way a MIDI phrase/pattern player, that would follow chords. It could be made "universal" to accept any MIDI line similar to EZkeys. A part of a 3rd party style for example. BIAB Code/Engine is there already, just has to have a proper GUI / Browser.
It seems, Peter Gannon was not inspired by the idea. It is his company and I completely respect his right to not get involved. As an alternative, I have another wishlist item that might be much easier to implement and would have universal usage similar to the Chord Track that we got in 2023. I am talking about chaining VST's. From one VST MIDI Out to MIDI In of another VST. I probably should start another thread on this to explain the benefits and a few workflow scenarios.
"I am an average user, and I found RC pretty complicated but Biab was the easiest thing to learn "
"I am talking about chaining VST's. From one VST MIDI Out to MIDI In of another VST. I probably should start another thread on this to explain the benefits and a few workflow scenarios. "
I have been asking for that and been posting examples for years
I'm glad to see you catching up on these things I have been posting and asking for
I just came here now to create a RC video doing it all so hang in there.
BIAB is is probably not easier compared to RC. It took me years to get comfortable.
When I started out 5 years back, my main issue was that BIAB was missing certain "parts" for the songs like lines for intros, variation for rolls, breaks, endings that are commonly found in arranger keyboards and backing track units. With RTs, even with Partial Regen (which was a blessing), sometimes it is hard to get things the way you imagined. So one has to go MIDI route... And it seemed that using existing BIAB midi content would be the easiest place to start. That is the core of the request. To give users more ways to use existing content.
Musocity, even if this thread was not met with enthusiasm, can I ask you to post RC video post separately? Because if someone new comes...one day.. it would be hard for them to figure out what this thread was about.
I wonder how many users in the forum actually spent time watching the two YouTube videos posted by Rustyspoon in this thread.
For those of you who didn't watch, just so you know, Rustyspoon wasn't lying about the importance of the yellow MIDI stems.
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Real - Green Audio - Orange Super - Blue Legacy - Yellow
In BiaB 2022, there was a new feature released called "All Tracks are Equal". This feature makes Utility Tracks equally functional as the Style Tracks.
If all tracks can be equal, why can't all MIDIs be equal too?
I think for PG, the easist way is to make the "Select Custom MIDI" dialogue box non-modal. Non-modal means the dialogue box is floating, so user can still click other parts of the interface without having to close this dialogue box first.
If PG wants to go above and beyond, they can make a new dialogue box called "Select Legacy MIDI". Exactly the same as Super MIDI picker, but only list yellow MIDI stems to be selected from.
Hope to see this request come true in BiaB 2025.
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Let me try to figure out what he was talking about in his post.
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It works using the Copy/Move command in the Track Actions Menu that's accessed directly from the StylePicker.
1. Open a regular Style Picker, filter to show legacy MIDI styles only.
2. Audition the styles with the feature "Playing using current chord sheet for song".
3. Pick a MIDI Style. Go to bottom left of the Style Picker window, click the two dot button.
4. Click Track Actions, Copy/Move Tracks. This will copy a MIDI stem track to an empty Utility track in the current SGU.
5. Click Cancel to exit the Style Picker, without loading any Style.
6. In this way, no Style is loaded to the SGU, and existing Style tracks are not overwritten. The yellow stem track is being copied to a desired Utility track.
7. Same method can be done again, to copy another stem MIDI to the same Utility track, in order to overwrite and replace the existing loaded MIDI, with a new one.
Anyone any thoughts on this Charlie Fogle's idea?
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"All tracks are equal" is still a work in progress.
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