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I have just upgraded to 2024 Audiophile and we have run into some odd issues:
- sometimes a particular song will not advance the chorus as it plays and therefore never ends. The display will show 1 - 32 x 1/4 and never advance to 1 - 32 x 2/4, etc. Shutting down and restarting usually fixes it. Also doesn't always happen.
- making changes to Chord settings, for example, and re-rendering will result in dead drums for some section of the song - half maybe. Saving the changes and restarting BIAB solves the problem. This is a huge hassle editing parts and having to restart to hear the results.
- last night one song, at the end spurted out a Saw wave of noise - quite loud and startling. Again, restarting BIAB, and replaying the song was fine.
- one song, NOW, has no count-in. It worked fine in the past. The Style used has a Loop, rather than a Drum part. If I MUTE the Loop, then I hear the Count-in, otherwise no count-in.
- still having issues with Count-in being quiet on the first two counts
- still have the bug where any changes to the Song Memo will crash on Save if the Memo is left open.
The noise and the missing drums are making me consider rolling back to 2023 as we wasted a huge amount of time last night fighting with these issues.
Last edited by Andrew - PG Music; 01/13/24 12:53 PM. Reason: Updated thread title
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"The 2024 new "Multi Track View" feature is"...
It need serious improvements, absolutely, but it allows you to "partial regenerate" of all tracks in a single screen. This is how I use it and it saves me a lot of time.
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It need serious improvements, absolutely, but it allows you to "partial regenerate" of all tracks in a single screen. This is how I use it and it saves me a lot of time. How can it save you time when you can't even select a region of a full bar precisely? At least in the Audio Edit Window or ACW Window, you can snap to 16th notes. Much easier to select a full bar to regen. I don't think PG will do much to improve the MTV snap feature this year. It's dead on arrival. Don't waste your time on it. Go back to ACW.
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MV, just if for some reason it doesn't work for you personally, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Ok, I am not a perfectionist, but it works for me: P.S. Do I want whole TV to be more advanced? Absolutely! But I do find it very useful even in the infant state it is now.
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MV, just if for some reason it doesn't work for you personally, doesn't mean it doesn't work for others. Ok, I am not a perfectionist, but it works for me: +1
https://soundcloud.com/user-646279677BiaB 2024 Windows For me there’s no better place in the band than to have one leg in the harmony world and the other in the percussive. Thank you Paul Tutmarc and Leo Fender.
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MusicVillian, Have you update your BIAB to build 1108? I notice in another thread that you were running 1102, which is the 2024 release build. There have been a lot of changes and adjustments to BIAB since 1102. If you haven't updated to 1108, I encourage you to think seriously about it. You can download the update and read all about what has changed between 1102 and 1108 at the below URL. https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1108Regards, --Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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I have just upgraded to 2024 Audiophile and we have run into some odd issues:
- sometimes a particular song will not advance the chorus as it plays and therefore never ends. The display will show 1 - 32 x 1/4 and never advance to 1 - 32 x 2/4, etc. Shutting down and restarting usually fixes it. Also doesn't always happen.
- making changes to Chord settings, for example, and re-rendering will result in dead drums for some section of the song - half maybe. Saving the changes and restarting BIAB solves the problem. This is a huge hassle editing parts and having to restart to hear the results.
- last night one song, at the end spurted out a Saw wave of noise - quite loud and startling. Again, restarting BIAB, and replaying the song was fine.
- one song, NOW, has no count-in. It worked fine in the past. The Style used has a Loop, rather than a Drum part. If I MUTE the Loop, then I hear the Count-in, otherwise no count-in.
- still having issues with Count-in being quiet on the first two counts
- still have the bug where any changes to the Song Memo will crash on Save if the Memo is left open.
The noise and the missing drums are making me consider rolling back to 2023 as we wasted a huge amount of time last night fighting with these issues. Bullmoon, In BIAB and under "Help >> About Band In A Box", check to see if you have the latest update installed. If not, I encourage you to go to the URL below, download it and install it. https://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#1108Regards, --Noel
MY SONGS...Audiophile BIAB 2024
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Misha and Noel, although I disagree with you, I have to give you that the video was pretty good in explaining things. Let me clarify. In MTV, the snap is indeed snapping, you are right about that. But the resolution is too high, I believe it's 1/64th note (1/16th of a beat), in other words, if you zoom out a little more on the track, you will start to make mistakes by not snapping perfectly on the bar line, and therefore getting a faulty regen. On the other side, if you try to snap in ACW or AEW, it is a much lower resolution, which is 16th note. You are less likely to make selection mistakes. BiaB's piano roll gives you the option to choose snapping resolutions. It will probably take years for PG to implement this function to AEW and MTV. Also, from your video, it was quite painful to make an accurate selection directly on the tracks in the lower part of the screen. Don't you agree? You either have to scroll the lower tracks up closer to the top snapping ruler, or you have to first make a selection on the top track then click to switch that selection to a lower track. Either way, the selection is counter-productive in MTV. You see what I'm saying here? Unless you have a better way, MTV's bar selection is a pain in the anal compare to ACW and AEW.
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M.Villain. I am not in pain  Resolution is good enough for me. I think it's a fair argument to request resolution adjustment from 1/4 to 1/64 in that view and so it follows globally (regardless of view, with exception of chord view) Yes, vertical cursor is needed. I am hoping PGM will add this as #1 thing to TV. In any case, T.View is very useful for my stuff. It's better to have it, than not to have it. I am sure it will improve over time. P.S. If you want to support full vertical cursor, here is a thread with that request: https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=792822#Post792822
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Pay attention to 00:31 of this video. How can you be sure your selection on the Guitar 1 track was perfectly aligned to the 1st and the 11th bar line? It looks like you overselected on the leftside (bar 1) and also on the right side (bar 11), doesn't it? This video just proves MTC is not a superior, but an inferior tool compare to AEW in terms of partial regen.
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This was a sloppy video just to prove the concept. I wasn't doing zooming or any kind of precision. Yes, rockets are faster than planes. The point is, you don't like it = you don't use it. How is this new feature taking away from you? You got 2024 content, generations that are ~3-5 times faster than before, with near instant placement of already generated tracks to your project, you got non-modal MTP Library with most of PGM content at your finger tips in a single place. Software for the most part is stable, considering it had been only few short weeks since release. You get what you get and you don't get upset, and if you are, find a pacifier... In my view it was one of the best releases. The benefits of 2024 overpower underdeveloped features. I only started to dig through new material and happy to see a few special artists that I like on new RTs.
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I see all these issues and missing features also but this is a massive leap to have the Tracks view and Riff Edit they will be adding all the other things to it and polishing it up, they just ran out of time that's all. The 2024 new "Multi Track View" feature is a total garbage.
First, the snap feature is not working. Have it turned on, still snapped to random positions. Can't snap to beat lines and bar lines easily.
Second, there is no volume automation feature like the audio edit window. Volume automation is the whole purpose of having a multi track view.
Third, the phrase editor is buggy. You drag left or right to extend a block/phrase, the extended part is not matching the chord.
I won't touch this feature again until BiaB 2025 is released.
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Updated and I am retesting these issues. A few persist - others might take a while to come up again. I'll update the post with whatever I find.
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Here is some To Do's for Tracks view (Chord entry will be on beats no typing commas): ![[Linked Image - Only viewable when logged in]](https://www.pgmusic.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=download&Number=27036&filename=BB24-Tracks-To-Do-List.png)
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Yes, rockets are faster than planes. The point is, you don't like it = you don't use it. How is this new feature taking away from you? You get what you get and you don't get upset, and if you are, find a pacifier... In my view it was one of the best releases. You and I have disagreed a fair bit on this update. I think this is a lot to do with it. You are clearly a "glass half full" type of person. I'm the opposite I agree with your first point, "if you don't like it, don't use it". That's fair enough, but for me, I don't like what they have done to the things I have to use. I despise unnecessary mouse clicks and buried options, It slows me down. For me personally, this is one of the worst updates. Some of the reasons that have caused me to be negative is that so much is either done badly, buggy or didn't work at all. Within the first 10 minutes of trying out the update I spent more time saying "WTF" than I did trying to enjoy the new features - right or wrong, this just starts me out on a negative attitude towards it all. For example, within the first few minutes of using the software I discovered that partial drum regen doesn't work, things that I use often are now buried deeper than they were before, play using chordsheet doesn't work, snap in the MTV doesn't work, I'm sorry but 64th option should not be called snap. I'd have been less annoyed if there was no snap option at all. That's just a few examples but there were more than that, all within the first ten minutes. When the first few things you try out have all gone backwards or don't even do something that's being sold as a new feature, I just end up negative. Yes of course there are some positives, e.g, faster builds but I have all the good features clouded by my initial first impression which was all bad. Hopefully after some more updates I will have a better outlook but I'm not feeling very positive about any of it because the fact only a minority of us are moaning about these things, they will probably be seen as unimportant.
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Lee, "I despise unnecessary mouse clicks and buried options, It slows me down. " I can totally see you sitting and clicking that magic button that got buried all day long Regeneration of whole styles, track, songs, partial etc., is times faster now. Time it took before, starring point blank on the screen, waiting, you could of done 100 clicks. I rather do couple of extra clicks than, wait for the program to churn forever. That slowed me down. It made me feel like it's 1995 all over again and I am waiting for windows to load. To complete each project, will take me hours less now. I am strictly talking about generations time. Your buddy Moultipass had a concrete suggestion, to have a "Load Demo" button on the top. That is a valid specific item and I am certain it will get support. I don't use it, but it was articulated well and I will vote for that. You had suggestion to keep MTP on the top. (beats me why, but ok, lets assume that is something important) How much time you spent writing "me me me hates" instead of doing couple of Print Screens with your specific issues, explaining them in a paragraph or two and posting them up for discussion? PGM reads feedback / wishlist, and while there are no guarantees that something will eventuate, some things do. I honestly believe that is a better way instead of bashing overall progress made. "I'd have been less annoyed if there was no snap option at all." - don't press that "snap" button and you will be OK. "I discovered that partial drum regen doesn't work" - Was this feature advertised for drums? I honestly don't know. If it was, I would be upset too.
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Rustyfork, I dare you making another video by clicking that green button on the right hand side of the cog wheel and starting the "phrase editing mode". Because it is so messed up!I was a happy 2023 customer and had absolutely zero motivation to update to 2024, until I noticed this new MTV feature. I was hyped with this new "Phrase Editing Mode". I have a dream, that I can create an exact 4 bar long phrase block, then do the partial regen inside this block, once the block is perfect, I can then copy this block to other parts of the song where the same chords occur. In other words, instead of partial regen the full song, I can simply partial regen a few phrase blocks only, then copy these regened blocks to different locations of the song, job is done, would save tremendous amount of time.I was wrong. I can't create phrase blocks like that, I can't regen a bar inside a block like that. I can't precisely copy blocks like that. That's why I was pissed off with the MTV, because it destroyed my dream!
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I see all these issues and missing features also but this is a massive leap to have the Tracks view and Riff Edit they will be adding all the other things to it and polishing it up, they just ran out of time that's all. That is the main problem with timelines. Instead pushing out a product that isn't finished why not wait until it is polished a bit more: I ran into the same problem while working in research. PGM has done this with virtually every new add-on leaving us users as the final beta testers. On the plus side PGM does try to patch things as quickly as they can so I will give them credit there. YMMV
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MusicPillow,
"I was a happy 2023 customer"
That's not how I remember it from your posts.
"because it destroyed my dream"
That's funny.
TV is not finished in my view. I've shown you how I use it in existing state.
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Hi Mario, That is the main problem with timelines. Instead pushing out a product that isn't finished why not wait until it is polished a bit more: I ran into the same problem while working in research. PGM has done this with virtually every new add-on leaving us users as the final beta testers. I think the public will always be the final testers (gamma testers?) for software in general. There are millions of different computers in the world with a huge variation in operating systems, software, hardware, processing power and users' ability.. By comparison, PG Music's range of machines and users during beta testing is significantly less. As I see it, beta testing arrives at a product that is stable enough to be released. When that release encounters the world with all its millions of possibilities, new issues are bound to be discovered. I have never once had a piece of software from any company that has not been updated because new issues were discovered as some point in time. Just my couple of pennies worth of thoughts I hope 2024 is treating you and your family well! --Noel.
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