Yeah Pat I do know that, and have to explore it more deeply, but still the further you take a vocal patch away from your original the more it begins to sound unreal.

The other thing that bothers me is that to use the TC unit live you have to program each and every tidbit, of each and every voice, and then remember how to get it back for the next song. A tall order when you change set list often. It is hard enough to get it back to default after a song.

I am just exploring the options here. It's funny i have been using a combination of my voice, sampletanks beachboys patch, and TC helicon. Sometims it is just nailed, and other times too little or too much.

One thing i am working with is to take the midi ohhs and aahs in a track, and smooth them out lengthen some notes shorten others drag them so that they never end all at once, and sound fake.

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