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#160091 - 05/23/12 09:35 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: eddie1261]
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Eddie,

No doubt you got it working for you, my solution would do the same (or possibly) a better job and you would still be able to see out of the windows, plus add value to your home . . . just saying. But no doubt there is more than one way to skin a cat . . . think that is the 2nd time I heard this phrase in the last couple of days.

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#160092 - 05/23/12 09:50 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: Danny C.]
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you would still be able to see out of the windows




Ah, but THEY could also see in..... Most of the time I like to be um, "comfortable" when I work. And you wanna trust me on this one, it's not a pretty site....
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#160093 - 05/23/12 10:24 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: eddie1261]
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Quote:

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you would still be able to see out of the windows




Ah, but THEY could also see in..... Most of the time I like to be um, "comfortable" when I work. And you wanna trust me on this one, it's not a pretty site....





In the daylight you cannot see in, at night if there is a bright light behind you you can see in.

Are you saying you have a permanent wardrobe malfunction when you are working . . . please help me get that picture out of my mind.

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#160094 - 05/24/12 08:15 AM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: Danny C.]
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As the former Chief Training Instructor I taught this for heating problems. Some statements are givens.

1. Go to the top.
2. Tools required, Turn out Gear as specified in XX.y, SCBA, AXE, min 1 3/4 in charged hose line with 100 psi nozzle pressure.
3. Remove window, screen, any draperies or window treatments with the axe, taking care NOT to have glass fall without warning.
4. About 8 feet from the opening use a cone of water to expel heat (smoke).
5. When opening the nozzle, get confirmation that the bottom is open. (To allow air in).
6. Carefully check that people outside are in range.
The scores for hitting people with water are:

1. The mayor, 10000 points and free pizza for a year.
2. Council members 300 points each.
3. Whiny liberal / socialist council members 200 points extra.
4. Cops, 500 points plus 100 more for each level, ie Sgt. Staff Sgt. so on.
5. Police Chief, 700 points.
6. Fire Chief, 1000 points.
7. Media 500 points.
8. Platoon or District Chiefs 600 points.
9. Captains 500 points.
10. By-standers 100 points each.

To work properly the person must react, and be HIT with water, not just in the spray from the wind.

All efforts to ensure this hosing down is an accident must be taken so as not to get caught.

Stations and Platoon shifts shall record this on the top left of the chalkboard as in
Blue A
Red B
Green C
Orange D

As I worked on Blue A Platoon for many years we usually won. I will never admit to having a female reporter friend phone the mayor about a fire, and then scoring big. I do not think that is in my makeup.

And now for something completely but not quite indifferent.
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#160095 - 05/24/12 09:35 AM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: John Conley]
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So we can TRULY call you a hoser.....
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#160096 - 05/24/12 05:27 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: eddie1261]
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Danny is right if you need the ability to see out that window. i am glad it is working. A lot of time when i am out giving estimates for existing home i use a digital thermometer to take readings of all the surfaces involved, and i am sometims amazed at how different colors, and materials either reflect, or absorb heat.

We have one of those infrared spectrum cameras in the shop it is fun to do a details study of a house with that, before and after we do our work.
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#160097 - 05/24/12 07:11 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: Robh]
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Nah. That window is between houses, and I hate my neighbors anyway.... hmmm... maybe I SHOULD let them see in...

If it wasn't for building code I would frame both of those upstairs windows in. Nothing to see out of either one but a wall of a neighbor's house.
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#160098 - 05/24/12 09:26 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: John Conley]
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Points to ponder.

1. Cold air is heavier.

2. If you close the downstairs vents and open the upstairs one wide, the air goes up, and must come down.

3. If the thermostat is on the main floor make sure nothing is UNDER it.

(my former office saw the women running to the thermostat. Never dawned on me, because I'm yer guy eh? that there was a problem. They had it jacked Way up. Because the laser printer was underneath with a heat / fan thing blew hot air into the bottom of the sensor.)

The open/close vent thing has potential.

Note that inside most modern systems where the ductwork leaves the furnace someplace, there is a baffle with a handle you can adjust the airflow, more or less. That's used to balance things.

Next / fan on summer winter setting. This can help by keeping air moving and reduces the stacking effect. Note that keeping doors open or closed can affect that too. If you can get a rush of air to the top, leave the doors open. If you can't, try with keeping them closed. Options. Cool it with a boom boom.

A white lab coat,
No pink carnation,
Blowing up models on the set.
A white lab coat,
No pink carnation
Goulardi made me laugh, you bet.

Once ya told me long ago,
To Lorraine Heights with me you'd go
Now you've broken my heart and dreams
You made someone else to scream...

Never mind. But to this 61 yr. old north of the lake guy, I HATE A/C. Because of the Big C. I think I shall never get warm again. Me and Sam McGee.

Thanks for the laughs.

Only sweety sugary pretty U with the silky smooth hands,
Can make my now exciting softy cuddly moany self see right,
Only sighin' cryin silkyisy...to be continued.
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#160099 - 05/25/12 09:38 AM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: John Conley]
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Been my experience over the years that a lot of folks, especially those of the fairer sex, tend to view the Thermostat as working the same as an Accelerator Pedal.

Thus, they figure that the way to get warmer (or cooler) faster, is to move the Thermostat lever to extremes.

But the common Thermostat does not function like that. It is an "end game" autocontrol, set it to an extreme and the environment does not get to the desired endpoint any faster at all, just the endpoint is moved farther away from the desired result.

Worked at one place where the wimmen would take turns being too hot and thus turning the thermostat all the way down, whereupon one of 'em woul then be too cold and turn it all the way UP, this repeating all day long.

And then folks wonder why the HVAC Engineer finally installs a lockbox on the Thermostat...


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#160100 - 05/25/12 07:39 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: Mac]
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I worked at such a place also. Except the lock was installed when I showed up. I thought the owner was being 'cheap'.
Then I got a key to it and realized how many times people wanted me to change it. THEN I realized the actual issue. So I figgered out the same thing as Mas , but in reverse.

/but I ain't pointing at any gender; age seemed more of an indicator to me
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#160101 - 05/27/12 04:48 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: rharv]
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I may never warm up again. Ever. Doc keep testing my thyroid which is wonky, but not quite wonky enough he says. Pfft. Medicine. Saved me, almost killed me.
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#160102 - 05/27/12 05:20 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: John Conley]
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Points to ponder.

1. Cold air is heavier.

2. If you close the downstairs vents and open the upstairs one wide, the air goes up, and must come down.




I like that pondering point and would try it but if you saw the layout of the house you'd change your mind. The doorway to the upstairs is at one corner of the house rather than the middle, and there is a door that is always closed to keep a little dog from going up there unless I am up there too. So that forced air would have to be forced through the 3/4" gap at the bottom of the door.

I HATE these old bungalow houses that are essentially rectangles broken up in almost evenly measured quarters, but that's what they built a lot of for the baby boom years after WWII. This house is one generation AFTER that, (built in 1965) but still, all the houses on the street are quite similar. I would love to have an open concept home but this will be my last house, so....

It is 92 outside today. I have the AC at 70, and the upstairs is only 75. Finally getting around to those annoying little house jobs that my wife used to nag me about. Washing this, cleaning that, throwing away stuff I have not touched or even thought about since I moved here 7 1/2 years ago, posting ads for some old stuff that all of us here have moved beyond... and actually (drum roll please) went into the basement and cut ALL the wood scraps into foot long pieces for the fire pits. I can now see the concrete floor!!!

And hired a guy to do my mowing. I am too old and my knees are too sore to walk back and forth 2000 times pushing a mower, which by the way only works when the planets are aligned....

Hope everybody is enjoying their 3 day weekend!!
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#160103 - 05/30/12 07:49 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: eddie1261]
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Does the room have an attic? If so it might need some insulation to knock down the solar heat gain and the duct work to that room may be old and leaky, plus it might be poorly insulated itself. This would allow the heated air in the space it runs through to keep the cool supply air from holding it's temperature.
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#160104 - 05/30/12 09:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: I'd better duck..... [Re: Robh]
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Those rooms ARE the attic. The previous owners made 2 bedrooms up there. There is insulation in the rafters and last year I had a guy in to go up there and staple up the pieces that had fallen. If I could ever afford it I would have spray foam put in. (Remember, I am in Ohio. Nasty winters with the cold wind off Lake Erie.) But I DO think it is poorly vented, or just OLD. The house is 45 years old and given the changes in thinking and technology over that time span, I am sure it could be better. I really like that expanding spray foam insulation. The past winter was SO abnormally mild that I am already in fear of the next one. For the first 4 years I was in this house the upstairs was closed off so I didn't have to heat it.
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