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#259449 - 08/13/14 11:28 PM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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I understand your point MarioD and I agree.
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#259450 - 08/14/14 03:46 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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interesting thread

I am working on a song at the moment and initially laid out the chords and tempo in BIAB to use as a rather sophisticated "click track" The style was irrelevant as I did not use any of the BIAB produced tracks apart from the chord track, which I may eventually use for synth arpeggios and such in my DAW, Cubase. At the moment it is all me with the drums from FL Studio 11. I could have not used BIAB, with a bit of effort on my behalf, but BIAB made it simpler!

My interpretation of the forum rules is that this would not be eligible to post, because if it came to it how could I prove it? However I see, and understand, the other poster's points.

I feel that it would be beneficial if Dr Gannon, or someone from PG Music, would clarify the situation.

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#259459 - 08/14/14 07:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: gibson]
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I suppose even if I DIDN'T use biab for generating tracks I ALWAYS use it for reading music. It's an invaluable tool as a chord sheet.
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#259472 - 08/14/14 10:23 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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Alyn, that is exactly the point I understood from MarioD. He, and many, many others have the ability to do their own instrumentation for many or all parts of their song equally as well as can be produced by a real track, real drum or midi instrument so they do not necessarily need to generate BIAB midi, real tracks or real drums. BIAB is the mold for the foundation. Start a song, save it, come back later to finish it or send the .sgu to someone to collaborate. After that, produce their songs not using any BIAB product. I agree that is a valid use of BIAB.

My point of reference is I'm a rank amateur who does not play many different instruments, nor play the instruments I do play live at a high level of proficiency. BIAB allows me to create and produce songs of a much higher quality and quantity without the huge outlay of cash and time to do so any other way.

The ambiguity of the PG Music rules allows both ends of this spectrum to co-exist along side each other. Self policing among forum members and sound judgement of forum members seems to work well since I have been a member here.

While it opens the door that I could locate an old track from years ago I created before owning a version of BIAB and now cannot recall the key, tempo and chord progression, run it through ACW, then complete song with any further use of PG Music products then pop it into the User Showcase because it is an original composition and I used a PG Music product. I think it still weeds out the individual who would say,"I thought about using PG Music products but decided to use only Cubase instead" from posting here.
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#259473 - 08/14/14 11:04 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: Charlie Fogle]
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Originally Posted By: c_fogle
Alyn, that is exactly the point I understood from MarioD. He, and many, many others have the ability to do their own instrumentation for many or all parts of their song equally as well as can be produced by a real track, real drum or midi instrument so they do not necessarily need to generate BIAB midi, real tracks or real drums. BIAB is the mold for the foundation. Start a song, save it, come back later to finish it or send the .sgu to someone to collaborate. After that, produce their songs not using any BIAB product. I agree that is a valid use of BIAB.


Thank you very much for the extremely nice however highly overrated comment.

Originally Posted By: c_fogle

The ambiguity of the PG Music rules allows both ends of this spectrum to co-exist along side each other. Self policing among forum members and sound judgement of forum members seems to work well since I have been a member here.


I agree 100%.

Originally Posted By: c_fogle

I think it still weeds out the individual who would say,"I thought about using PG Music products but decided to use only Cubase instead" from posting here.


It is my understanding that people whom do not use PGMusic products and are a regular forum member can post such songs in the off topic forum. I'm not totally sure about this but over the years I have seen a few songs over there that did not use these products.
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#259475 - 08/14/14 11:14 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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Interesting topic being discussed and lots of good opinions.

AS I see it....

If the person posting the song is an active participant in the PG forums and is an owner and long time user of PG products and uses them in many of their musical productions postings here..... then, does as I mentioned..... uses BiaB to compose a tune but then collabs with others to have the tracks performed by all live musicians......even though the final product is not BB nor is it recorded with any PG products, this song should still be considered OK for the PG forums due to the factors mentioned.

BTW: I have several songs that were not posted here that were originally written and recorded with BB on the original tracks....I then recorded the song a second time using all original, live, acoustic tracks and refrained from posting it here.

AND..... since none of us in the collab are drummers, there is a real likelihood that the drums will have to be a synth, and possibly they will be a BB or RB track thereby qualifying without question.


However, and what I don't agree with and often report to the mods, is non PG owners posting non-PG music here. Just like I don't go to the GarageBand forums to post my stuff, because I don't use GB.....to post here, one should at least be an owner of PG products.
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#259488 - 08/14/14 02:27 PM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: rharv]
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Originally Posted By: rharv
To me, it is worded to imply PGProduct(s) were required, but really doesn't say that.
It says -
"users of PG Music products (e.g. Band-in-a-Box or RealBand) can post links to their original song compositions, for others to listen to"

Qualification 1: I use PG Music products
Qualification 2: I can post a link to an original composition

It does not say the two have to be combined. It could have easily been worded to require it, but wasn't. Instead it was worded to imply it.
If this was done with forethought, I'm fine with that.


Just for fun, assuming both qualifications have been satisfied, is the 'user of PG Music products" that posted the link to their original song composition barred from then listening to their composition from User Showcase since the rule states the post is "for others to listen to" and the "user of PG Music products" isn't an "other"? Or is he/she?

Ya'll have to excuse me, I spent 35 years going in circles like this trying to interpret insurance policies. Promise. I'll stop with this one. ;=)
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#259519 - 08/14/14 06:40 PM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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The user is assumed to not be you.
The user is also not me.
Therefore the user must be some other, there by qualifying. smile

(Meant for c_fogle)


Edited by rharv (08/14/14 06:41 PM)
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#259565 - 08/15/14 07:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: What's the rules on posting in the user showcase [Re: furry]
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I only post songs here that have at least one BIAB component (bass, drum, guitar fiddle, ...) in them. That's the spirit of the "guidelines" that works for me.
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