Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >
You need to be logged in to post on the forum
Topic Options
Index
#371349 - 10/24/16 02:08 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Buford]
JohnJohnJohn Offline
Veteran

Registered: 06/25/12
Posts: 2096
Originally Posted By: Hawgly
Besides, I get paid pretty well for doing what I do...and who wants the competition. grin Maybe they should change the name to PG Music Authoring Software. Something a little more classy. On second though, just leave it like it is. No need to crowd the market, eh?

I agree 100%! laugh Seems like there are 4 possible outcomes from me trying to convince someone of how good BIAB is...

1) they look at the GUI and overall complexity or listen to the stock MIDI results of the starter package and decide it is lame

2) they see its power and then say I am cheating

3) they don't care either way.

4) they love it and start producing high-quality music to compete with me

None of these results help me!


Edited by JohnJohnJohn (10/24/16 02:09 PM)

Top
#371354 - 10/24/16 02:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 5478
Loc: Chicago
Along this topic I recently had the opportunity and pleasure to sit down with one of my favorite on-line music educators. This guy is big on the web and you-tube and is a fantastic musician and teacher. I have followed him for years and never the mention from him of BIAB. So I took the opportunity to ask him about it. Well, I was shocked by his response. "...of course I know it, it is fantastic! I have the current version...". So I asked, how is it you have never ever mentioned it in any of your videos or lessons? His answer was simple " It is the competition and no one advertises the competition."
_________________________
Dan
BIAB2018
BIAB User Map
SoundCloud


Top
#371368 - 10/24/16 04:01 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: JohnJohnJohn]
eddie1261 Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/08/11
Posts: 4165
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn

2) they see its power and then say I am cheating


When they say you are cheating, ask them how many Beach Boys they think played on Good Vibrations. And if they ever heard of The Wrecking Crew.

Wasn't The Wrecking Crew nothing more than live people doing what BIAB/RB does? Roger McGuinn says in The Wrecking Crew movie how angry the members of The Byrds were when the studio cats did the music for their albums. In the next sentence, he also reveals that when they finally DID play live, the intro to Turn Turn Turn took 77 takes.
_________________________
Why does the Department of DEFENSE want a weapon with first strike capability? Wouldn't that be the Department of Offense?

Top
#371369 - 10/24/16 04:01 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Joe V Offline
Expert

Registered: 02/19/06
Posts: 988
Loc: NYC
So jazzmandan - who is the mystery music educator ? I'd love to check out his online stuff.

Top
#371384 - 10/24/16 05:30 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Joe V]
MusicStudent Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/08/02
Posts: 5478
Loc: Chicago
see PM
_________________________
Dan
BIAB2018
BIAB User Map
SoundCloud


Top
#371410 - 10/25/16 05:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Notes Norton Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/06/00
Posts: 4327
Loc: Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.
In a way, I guess it is cheating, as The Wrecking Crew, The Swampers, dubbing vocals for actors in movies, and so on. But in another way it's just another tool to be used to make something with.

When I started doing computer backgrounds with my Atari/ST computer, other musicians told me "You are going to put musicians out of work with that." I replied, "I am going to put a musician to work with that, me."

Later on. many of those same musicians who criticized my use of the computer are buying styles from me, buying karaoke tracks on-line or full sequences from somebody else.

I suppose the first "Sideman" drum machine was the first cheat. Or perhaps the capo? But things that are called cheating one day become normal the next.

I still play live with backing tracks that I make myself, many with the help of BiaB and a couple totally BiaB. I'm still in the same duo I started with that Atari in 1985, and we're still gigging with 17 one-nighters this month.

I do 100% MIDI backing tracks and Leilani and I sing and play either guitar, synth, wind synth, sax, or flute over the top.

I prefer MIDI over RTs for live performance, because the mix needs to be different live than it does for a recording. Hotter snare drums, exaggerated horn stabs, more dynamics on the bass and most other instruments. Plus the groove should often be exaggerated. It makes it sound more live to the audience.

Whatever, it's working.

If it's cheating, so be it.

Insights and incites by Notes
_________________________
Bob "Notes" Norton smile Norton Music
http://www.nortonmusic.com

100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Top
#371426 - 10/25/16 07:23 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Will B - PG Music Offline
PG Music Staff

Registered: 09/15/16
Posts: 408
Presented without comment smile smile smile

_________________________
Will - PG Music

Top
#371428 - 10/25/16 07:37 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Will B - PG Music]
MarioD Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/27/03
Posts: 10797
Loc: Hamlin NY
Originally Posted By: Will B - PG Music
Presented without comment smile smile smile



grin grin grin grin

I wonder if all of those folks who think that using these tools is cheating also think that using stunt men is cheating?
_________________________
The only exercise I did this month was run out of money!

64 bit Win 10 Pro - the latest BiaB and RB - Roland Octa-Capture audio interface - a ton of software and some hardware.

Top
#371474 - 10/25/16 11:50 AM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
jford Offline
Veteran

Registered: 12/20/00
Posts: 10328
Loc: Pensacola, Florida
I was at church one morning and we were doing some upbeat music. I was using my arranger keyboard's built in styles, but also playing stuff myself on the keyboard, along with two guitarists (we didn't have a drummer or bass player at the time). Really, not much different than using a BIAB style.

After awhile, someone came up and watched for awhile at what I was doing and then he said "Hey, that's cheating. You're just pushing buttons" (of course I was playing the keys also, but whatever...)

I looked at him and said, "Ah, but I know which buttons to push! Would you like to try?" He respected and appreciated the effort after that.
_________________________
John

HP Win10Pro-64, 8GB
ASUS Win10Pro-64, 16GB
HP Win7Pro-64, 8GB

H/W-Behringer U-Phoria UMC404HD, Casio Kbds
S/W-BB/RB2018/Sonar/Reaper/Studio One/Samplitude/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Noteworthy/NI Komplete/Halion/Garritan/IK
Web-http://www.sus4chord.com

Top
#371476 - 10/25/16 12:14 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17112
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
A wise variation on that old saw about the unsolvable engine problem where they finally call in the expert. He makes one tap of the hammer which fixes it and presents his bill for $10,000. They complain, "All you did is one little tap of the hammer!" and he says, "Yes, but I knew where to tap".

Great answer John.
_________________________
BIAB 2018 PC Audiophile; [& 2017 Mac]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb RAM; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & 6" monitors.

Top
#371483 - 10/25/16 12:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
90 dB Offline
Veteran

Registered: 04/20/10
Posts: 4591
Loc: Florida
I've had guys walk up and tell me we're cheating. That's why I carry a pistol. grin
_________________________
Dyslectics Untie!


https://90dbband.bandcamp.com/

https://soundcloud.com/90-db



Top
#371500 - 10/25/16 01:31 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Tacoma290 Offline
Newbie

Registered: 10/25/16
Posts: 7
Not everyone is looking at this right. You don't have to sell it. Keep doing what you are doing on this forum.
I had BIAB about 8 years ago, and the midi sound drove me away... rather quickly. Two weeks ago I wanted to check it out again. The newer YouTube samples, and the fact that this is an active forum is all it took for me. This software with realband is the future.
Cheating? So is cruise control and that tool has saved me a fortune in tickets.

Top
#371501 - 10/25/16 01:35 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Tacoma290 Offline
Newbie

Registered: 10/25/16
Posts: 7
As far as changing the interface, I don't think PG has to be as drastic as some of the above posts suggest. Afterall, doesn't a DAW have a crazy amount of buttons? I simply don't see this software as being for a casual user, so not much point in making things overly clean.

The real change that PG needs to make is get rid of the ComicSans like font for chords. Hate it. I suspect that font alone sends so many (below age 45) away. The good news is that a guy from Germany appears to be helping resolve that.

Top
#371507 - 10/25/16 01:47 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Matt Finley Offline
Veteran

Registered: 07/12/00
Posts: 17112
Loc: Hudson Valley & Lake George NY
Yes, we look forward to that new font. But, just checking, do you know that BIAB allows you several options in the choice of fonts, particularly as of version 2016?

Comic Sans is so interesting in how polarizing it is! I've even seen it on resumes (not what I would have recommended).
_________________________
BIAB 2018 PC Audiophile; [& 2017 Mac]. Software: Mixcraft, Adobe Audition, Ozone, Encore; Win 10 64 Pro. Hardware: custom i7, 16 Gb RAM; Roland Integra-7, Focusrite 18i20(2), TCE Finalizer, Behringer X-Touch, Adam sub & 6" monitors.

Top
#371512 - 10/25/16 02:04 PM [Off-Topic] Re: Why do I have so much trouble selling people on BIAB? [Re: Ryszard]
Tacoma290 Offline
Newbie

Registered: 10/25/16
Posts: 7
Hi Matt, thanks for making sure; Yes I did find it eventually. But it was more than one click away. But boy was I motivated to change it.
Even I am surprised at how strongly I feel about disliking the font. I suspect that most here are used to it, but the ComicSans font is the subject of so much scorn. Google 'ComicSans Failblog'
That issue aside, it is a great product, and you guys with history add a lot to it.

Top
Page 3 of 4 < 1 2 3 4 >


PG Music News
#TBT - Band-in-a-Box® 2006 for Windows Ear Training Fun!

With the release of Band-in-a-Box® 2006 for Windows we added two great games for ear training: Pitch Invasion and Music Replay!

Pitch Invasion helps to develop perfect pitch as you shoot down "alien" notes invading from above (you hear the note sound, and click on the on-screen piano/MIDI or QWERTY keyboard to shoot them down).

Music Replay develops your pitch, rhythm, and melody recognition by replaying what the program plays, in note, rhythm, or melodic modes.

These games can still be accessed with newer versions of the program - in Band-in-a-Box® 2018 you'll find these by accessing the Practice Window or Ear Training Window, both located in the Window drop-down menu. The Practice Window can also be accessed using the Practice button within the main Band-in-a-Box screen (don't see it? CTRL+T to change the view).

Learn all about the features released with Version 2006 here.

Video: Exporting Audio Files in Band-in-a-Box® 2018

Our latest video, Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows - Exporting Audio Files Tutorial walks you through the different options to export your Band-in-a-Box® songs and song tracks from Band-in-a-Box® as an audio file (WAV, MP3, etc.)!

http://www.pgmusic.com/?vid=_Px958TmzhA

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 for Windows Build 516 Update Available!

Band-in-a-Box 2018 for Windows customer can download the latest free patch update here: http://www.pgmusic.com/support_windowsupdates.htm#516

Summary of changes:
Improved: More RealTracks have HiQ transcriptions. Fixed Bass AmericanaSlow16thsByron bad chords.
Improved: The Audio Drivers dialog for WAS devices now shows Bit Depth in the device description.
Improved: WAS audio driver performance has been Improved when using 44.1 kHz sample rate.
Improved: Windows Audio Session error messages contain more specific information.
Updated: Misc. updates to StylePicker database, memos, manuals, help files.
Fixed: "BBW.LST not found" errors when using the Hybrid Style maker dialog.
Fixed: "mono" was being ignored when rendering a batch of songs to audio files.
Fixed: "normalize individual tracks" was only working for MIDI tracks.
Fixed: "One file per track" was being ignored when rendering a batch of songs to audio files.
Fixed: Access violation on bootup if using a Roland audio interface (ASIO) that is not connected.
Fixed: Adjusting Melody or Soloist tracks to fit a new number of choruses was not undo-able.
Fixed: An access violation error might occur in the RealTracks Picker if quickly scrolling and double-clicking to hear demos.
Fixed: Changing a track name using the StylePicker mixer controls might open a hidden popup window.
Fixed: Changing the number of choruses was not undo-able.
Fixed: Clicking on the far left of the Guitar window would cause a "!!!!!" flash message to show.
Fixed: If adjusting the number of choruses in your song, choosing Cancel is ignored when asked, "OK to adjust Melody track to fit new # of choruses?".
Fixed: JazzBebopDannyBrushes sometimes out of sync.
Fixed: Panning the audio track did not work.
Fixed: Some Amplitube presets/styles/demos pointed to a preset which wasn't available in some installs.
Fixed: Some typos and omissions in RealDrums Picker.
Fixed: The [.STY] button in the Hybrid Style maker dialog.
Fixed: The [Get Patch/Drum Kit Info] button in the MIDI drivers dialog would not find the synthesizer documentation.
Fixed: The About dialog was not showing the Fretlight Ready logo.
Fixed: The Audio Chord Wizard would always run in English.
Fixed: The busy mouse cursor might remain after analyzing audio with the Audio Chord Wizard.
Fixed: The PDF driver installer could not be launched from Band-in-a-Box.
Fixed: The Plugins window would be too small when using plugins that have a small GUI.
Fixed: Using a Coyote DXi synthesizer (eg CoyoteWT or ForteDXi) might cause crackling/buzzing noise during playback.
Fixed: Using a multi speaker layout (eg. 4 speakers surround sound) instead of stereo might cause failure to connect to audio hardware with error -9996. This only happened when using WAS as audio driver type.
Fixed: Video rendering would fail if saved using Japanese characters in file name.
Fixed: When saving a Hybrid style for the first time, the File Save dialog should start in the Styles directory.

PG Music Inc. Newsletter - Stay In-the-Loop!

Want to be notified when a new version of Band-in-a-Box®, PowerTracks, or other PG Music Inc. products are released? Sign up for the newsletter at http://www.pgmusic.com/newsletter.htm.

If you purchased Band-in-a-Box® (or any other PG Music Inc. product) directly from us, you're already on the list!

Of course, we also announce new releases and specials on our Facebook page (https://www.facebook.com/pgmusicinc/), Twitter account (https://twitter.com/BandinaBox), and right here in our Forums!

Amazing Band-in-a-Box User Comments!

Great program with lots of support through the publisher and after-market. Use it for teaching, practicing, and gigging.
-Andrew L.

I just got my 6th film placement on a song recorded entirely in Band-in-a-Box. You guys rock!
-Terry Fernihough (Band-in-a-Box Endorsing Artist!)

I love this program. I have only had it for around a month but it has made things a lot easier for me. I no longer have to scour the internet for backing tracks. I just plug in the chords I want to use, find the style I want and done. Saving me so much time and being able to transpose into different keys is awesome too.
As the days go on I will be delving deeper into what it can do, importing some of my backing tracks into Abelton 9 to play with and writing some songs.
Best money I have spent on something in while.
-Peter S.

I started using Band-in-a-Box around 1990. It was the DOS version naturally and I used one of those old portable computers with dual floppy drives and a built in 9" monochrome display. I connected midi cables to a great sounding Yamaha keyboard and played my music using midi tracks. I did a demo for a university music class that was a lot of fun. Wow, it is almost unimaginable to see where this product has elevated to today. I have upgraded many times over the past 28 years but each time I am even more amazed. Thank you PG Music for being such a major part of my love for music all of these years!!!
-Dwayne G.

Incredible Software. Great for ignorance and experts and for anyone who wants to deal with music. If you do not have a hobby and want to have one "band in a box" is the best choice. Simple, but if you want to be an expert on it, you need to make an effort to master it perfectly for perfect use. The only disadvantage is if you do not want to become a musician, and use it, you will become a perfect musician. Therefore, be cautious. It's not a toy.
-Ilija B.

I’ve been using it for about the same time (20 years). I’m a trumpet player and just really want some backing on lead sheets. With the Real Styles - it sounds fantastic! Takes just minutes to input chord changes and find the right style. There is so much you can do and I love having the Soloist features to really add color.
-Mike B.

Read even more great feedback here.

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Danish Edition for Windows® is Here!

http://www.bandinabox.com/bb.php?os=win&lang=da

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 til Windows er klar!

Vi har haft travlt, og har tilføjet mere end 50 nye funktioner og en fantastisk samling af nyt indhold, bl. a. RealTracks, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Loops, Artist Performances, Amplitube presets og dertil hørende stilarter, 12-tonearter RealTracks og Hi-Q Guitar Notation! Vi har tilføjet 202 nye RealTracks, hvilket er det dobbelte af de 101, vi ofte tidligere har udgivet! Vi introducerer Video RealTracks (40 i genrerne Country, Pop, and Jazz), som fungerer helt som RealTracks, men også har videoer af musikerne, mens de spiller! Vi har også lavet en ny Xtra Styles PAK 4 med 160 nye Xtra Stilarters. (Xtra stilarter er stilarter baseret på tidligere udgivne RealTracks). Der er mere end 200 nye RealStyles baseret på vores nye RealTracks bl.a. Americana, Klezmer, Top-40, Jazz stryger pads, Vokal (ooh og aah), Ny Crooner "Shout" BigBand stilart og meget mere! Vi har en Bonus 49-PAK med 40 ekstra ikke tidligere udgivne RealTracks foruden de 202 ovenfor nævnte, så alt i alt er der 242 nye RealTracks til rådighed! Bonus 49-PAK indeholder også Video RealTracks sæt 1 og 2, 32 nye MIDI SuperTracks, 108 nye Instrumental Studies, 52 Loops og 8 Artist Performances.

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 Swedish Edition for Windows® is Here!

http://www.bandinabox.com/bb.php?os=win&lang=sv

Band-in-a-Box® 2018 för Windows är här!

Vi har varit flitiga och lagt till över 50 nya funktioner och en fantastisk samling av nytt innehåll, innefattande RealTracks, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, Loopar, Artist Performances, Amplitube presets och tillhörande stilar, 12-Key RealTracks, och Hi-Q Gitarr Notation! Vi har lagt till 202 nya RealTracks, dubblat de 101 som vi ofta har släppt förut! Vi introducerar nu Video RealTracks (40 tillgängliga i Country, Pop, och Jazz), vilka fungerar precis som RealTracks, men inkluderar också videos av musikers framträdande! Vi har också skapat en ny Xtra Styles PAK 4 med 160 nya Xtra Styles. (Xtra Styles är stilar baserade på tidigare utgivna RealTracks). Det finns över 200 nya RealStyles till våra nya RealTracks innefattande Americana, Klezmer, Top-40, Jazz Strings Pads, Vocals (oohs och aahs), Nytt Crooner "Shout" BigBand stilar, med mera! Vi har ett Bonus 49-PAK med 40 ytterligare nya outgivna RealTracks på toppen av 202 ovan, så totalt fantastiska 242 nya RealTracks finns tillgängliga! Bonus 49-PAK inkluderar också Video RealTracks Set 1 och 2, 32 nya MIDI SuperTracks, 108 nya Instrumental Studies, 52 Loops, och 8 Artist Performances

Forum Stats
27376 Members
49 Forums
51133 Topics
422169 Posts

Max Online: 2434 @ 11/14/17 12:37 AM
Newest Members
Alexander Alison, RicoRomero, beaublue, Asje, groaner

27376 Registered Users
Top Posters (30 Days)
Noel96 186
David Snyder 160
Ember - PG Music 154
Matt Finley 149
Deryk - PG Music 127
Janice & Bud 124
Torrey Bliss 119
VideoTrack 117
Rob4580 110
Kent - PG Music 107
Today's Birthdays
Vrat Houdek