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#381913 - 12/12/16 08:48 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: SECRETS OF HIT SONGWRITING maybe [Re: Guitarhacker]
chulaivet1966 Offline

Registered: 01/10/13
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Originally Posted By: Guitarhacker
My loose definition of a hit is one that a lot of people like when they hear it, regardless of how it does on the industry charts. If it hits the heart of the listener, that's what really matters.

That's pretty much how I see it.

Given my level of (non-existent) popularity I'm very grateful if anyone takes the time to listen to my efforts.
Should one actually comment favorably....color me elated and would thank them graciously.

Admittedly, I highly doubt any of my songs would ever have any mass appeal.
I only write for pure enjoyment/creative therapy and try to express myself in a way that meets my personal creative expectations knowing the commercial world will never be interested.

Back to it....

Edited by chulaivet1966 (12/12/16 10:24 AM)
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#382002 - 12/12/16 02:05 PM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: SECRETS OF HIT SONGWRITING maybe [Re: pghboemike]
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Here is another angle:

There are some people who are really great at studying hit songs and mapping out the common denominators they have found in these songs, and presenting some of the formulas they have found.

I think of these folks as educators and I think they serve a very valuable service.

Most great songwriters I know are practically inarticulate when asked they how they wrote hit songs. They give invaluable tips like:

"I don't know. I just sit down and do it."

Or as one very famous rock songwriter advised me once: "Just make sure you don't try and make too much sense. Rock and roll is not supposed to make sense."

Ok!!! Thanks!!!

So I don't necessarily need for a person to be a hit writer in order to respect them as a musical scholar and educator of hit song formulas.
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#382097 - 12/13/16 05:02 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: SECRETS OF HIT SONGWRITING maybe [Re: pghboemike]
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Registered: 04/03/09
Posts: 5461
There's an old saying, that goes like this:

Those that can't... teach.

I don't think it fits in this particular case, but it is true in many cases. Colleges are filled with such folks. They are called "professors".
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#382109 - 12/13/16 06:01 AM [Recording, Mixing, Performance and Production] Re: SECRETS OF HIT SONGWRITING maybe [Re: pghboemike]
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I quite like that first song on the list: Beautiful Day: -- Seems like right up my alley and I have never heard of him before.

I think for this year's, I am going to find songs I like a lot and write songs in those styles (using youtube and chords to get feel and rhythm). One of Robin's songwriting tips is to write "ghost" songs to hits and things you like. Then, of course, you have to change the melody so you are not totally stealing.
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