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#442246 - 12/03/17 02:59 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable!
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I've written about this issue before, and no responses helpful feedback was generated so I'll bring it up again, because it seems that the 2018 build still has the problem.

This issue, which I will explain further below, renders my #1 desired use for BIAB, using tablature from guitar realtracks to learn various styles of rhythm guitar, an empty dream.

Although I admittedly know next to nothing about programming, it should such a simple matter to rectify because I have a number of cheap-to-free programs that have no similar transcription issues.

Below, I'm pasting what I wrote about those issues, along with two others and screenshots. But first let me post a screenshot of the problem that appeared in the 2018 features video: Check out the Bb7 in this screenshot from that video.



There are 3 glaring issues with BiaB's tab notation I would love to see addressed.

1. Whenever there are "stacked" notes in standard notation (that is, one note is displayed on the line and another note immediately adjacent displays in the space in between the lines) the guitar notes are shown as if they are played sequentially. This is extremely annoying when trying to play along with any notation using power chords, blues rhythm, jazz and bossa comping, double stops, compound bends, etc.

2. If two notes are tied in standard notation, regardless of whether it's a single note played over the duration, or an entire sequence of notes played legato, only the first of those notes will display on the corresponding tab.

3. Tab transcription, even in the purportedly HQ 12 key wood-shedding tracks, will display the bends, but omit about 75 percent of the slides, hammer-ons, and pull-offs.

Would love to these issues addressed,

Oh, one more thing. If you could display note values in tab like they do in Guitar Pro, Go Playalong and every other tab editor--even the free ones like Tux guitar, that would be awesome!

Thanks!


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Edited by DeaconBlues09 (12/03/17 02:59 AM)
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#447581 - 12/28/17 05:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Bumping to a) further attempt to solicit a response, b) point out that the problems still appear in BiaB, and c) add another screenshot showing that half the notes are missing from a Realchart
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#447586 - 12/28/17 05:33 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Originally Posted By: DeaconBlues09
c) add another screenshot showing that half the notes are missing from a Realchart


I'm not a guitar player but in the screenshot you've given, the missing notes are outside standard tab tuning.

From the tab, unless my limited understanding is interpreting it incorrectly, the open string is E, this means the D and Eb lower cannot be written in standard bass tuning tab. It looks as though the guitar was tuned differently.
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#447593 - 12/28/17 06:02 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: Noel96]
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Nice catch, Noel!

However, I was using the "visual transpose--guitar tuned half step down function where the Eb properly (i.e. when the transcription is not 'glitching') appears as a "0" on the E string.

I will try and post an updated image where the bass is in standard tuning after I am done work for the day.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :-)
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#447604 - 12/28/17 06:57 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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Originally Posted By: DeaconBlues09
Nice catch, Noel!

However, I was using the "visual transpose--guitar tuned half step down function where the Eb properly (i.e. when the transcription is not 'glitching') appears as a "0" on the E string.

I will try and post an updated image where the bass is in standard tuning after I am done work for the day.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :-)


If your guitar is tuned to Eb then all of the tabs are off not just the low Eb and D. The guitar may be in Eb but your tabs are in standard tuning.
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#447608 - 12/28/17 07:08 AM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: MarioD]
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Originally Posted By: DeaconBlues09
Nice catch, Noel!

However, I was using the "visual transpose--guitar tuned half step down function where the Eb properly (i.e. when the transcription is not 'glitching') appears as a "0" on the E string.

I will try and post an updated image where the bass is in standard tuning after I am done work for the day.

Thanks for taking the time to respond :-)


If your guitar is tuned to Eb then all of the tabs are off not just the low Eb and D. The guitar may be in Eb but your tabs are in standard tuning.


Hi Mario,

Let's put aside my latest screenshot for the sake of my original post and allow me to refer you instead to the screenshots I posted further up--where I was in standard tuning--and the underlying issue, as well as others, are illustrated.

Thank you for taking the time to respond :-)
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#447701 - 12/28/17 02:08 PM [Band-in-a-Box for Windows] Re: I love you PG Music, but this is inexcusable! [Re: DeaconBlues09]
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I agree. That is not a standard tab format for chords. The tab numbers are always stacked on top of each other, not with one on the side like your pic shows.

Also the D and Eb can not be played on a 4 string bass with standard tuning. But it can be played on a 5 string bass, however the tabs only show 4 strings. If the 4 string bass E string was in the lower D tuning then it would be possible but the D would be a 0 and the Eb a 1.

This is very weird.

I agree with you in that if BiaB is showing tabs then they should be correct tabs.
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