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#460696 - 03/05/18 02:54 PM [RealBand] Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB?
Bob Calver Offline

Registered: 09/21/01
Posts: 267
Loc: UK
Created a track in BIAB and then transferred to RB and saved in my RB folder so it saved as a SEQ file. Decided to add a solo track. I can do that in BIAB using the soloist button which gives me some control of where the solo plays.

No such button in RB (or is there?) Decided to generate a RealTracks soloist throughout the whole song and simply delete the bits I didn't want.

Right click track and choose generate etc etc. But only two bars or so were generated over the drum count in and a bit further.

Tried several times then thought laterally. Opened the original BIAB track (SGU not SEQ) and everything worked fine - complete track generated.

I do all my editing etc in PT cos I'm used to it. Saved song with new solo as a seq file, opened in PT, exported the solo to a wav file and then imported to the original seq file which I had done a bit of editing on.

So now the original seq file has a solo. Long and laborious but sounds good.

Two questions.

1) Is there a soloist dialogue in RB I haven't found?

2) Can I only generate a new RealTracks track successfully if I work on a sgu fle not a seq? If that's true then I need to get my RB tracks right before I save them to seq files which seems odd.

Can I overwrite the original BIAB file from RB and not save as a seq?

#460712 - 03/05/18 05:02 PM [RealBand] Re: Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB? [Re: Bob Calver]
rharv Offline

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 18715
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
RB will only generate whatever section is highlighted. So you need to adjust your generation view to be more DAW inspired; work on this track from here to here.
That may explain your situation in RB if your From-Thru settings are not selecting the whole track.

You can right-click and Select Whole Track (CTRL+A)

The whole blue track designation also comes into play.

When you open an SGU file, the BB track names turn blue in RB and behave differently. You can change this using Track-Make all tracks regular tracks .. then the tracks behave like DAW tracks where you have to highlight the area you want generated.
When they are BiaB tracks they can all generate at once.

One of the differences between RB and BiaB.
If you open a SEQ file it'll likely have 'regular tracks' .. but if you open a BiaB file it acts more like BiaB

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#460714 - 03/05/18 05:29 PM [RealBand] Re: Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB? [Re: Bob Calver]
Jim Fogle Offline

Registered: 08/20/11
Posts: 3528
Loc: Winston-Salem, NC USA
Originally Posted By: Bob Calver
snip ... Can I overwrite the original BIAB file from RB and not save as a seq?

Yes, you can save a SGU or MGU file as a SGU or MGU file in RealBand. Click on File > Save As ... then select Band-in-a-Box songs from the Save as type drop down menu.


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#460986 - 03/07/18 09:15 AM [RealBand] Re: Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB? [Re: Bob Calver]
Bob Calver Offline

Registered: 09/21/01
Posts: 267
Loc: UK
thanks rharv and Jim. all sorted. RB it seems to me either acts an extension to BIAB or a DAW depending on hos its used and unles you make allowances for that you won't get the result you need. just one further question to save me experimenting if i work on a sgu file in RB then save as an sgu file in the original BIAB folder can I overwrite the original BIAB file or not?

#460998 - 03/07/18 10:07 AM [RealBand] Re: Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB? [Re: Bob Calver]
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Registered: 12/20/00
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Loc: Pensacola, Florida
I'm pretty sure if you save an SGU from RealBand to the original location of the BIAB file (as long as it's not currently/concurrently open in BIAB, in which case it should be locked), you will definitely overwrite the original file. I would give it a different name, at least initially, to make sure all is working well. They are small files and don't take up much space.

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#461401 - 03/09/18 07:39 PM [RealBand] Re: Why can't I generate a Real Track in RB? [Re: Bob Calver]
rharv Offline

Registered: 05/30/00
Posts: 18715
Loc: Marysville, Mi. USA
Yes, you can write over a file in the BB directory, but I do not suggest doing this until you fully understand the differences in an RB saved BB file and a BB saved file.

Put simply; RB files saved as BiaB files may lose some data.
So it is best practice to keep the original BiaB file (just in case) and save the RB file to a different name. This way you have both for reference. If you later feel comfortable deleting one or the other, fine, but losing work should always be avoided or intentional. At least in my opinion.

Like John mentioned, the BiaB files are pretty small, so think before overwriting them, as there isn't much to lose by keeping them for reference later.

I use a date stamp here in the file name to recognize them.

Biab file may be named SongName.SGU
My RB file would then be saved as SongName_RB_180309.SGU .. so I know the source of the file (showing an RB file saved to BB format) and the date I did it ..
180309 would equal YYMMDD (year-month-date) so 180309 = 2018-March-9th.

Just my way of referencing things.

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