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#63619 - 03/06/10 01:35 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: jcspro40]
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Not necessarily. While most SoundFonts are a step up from the basic DLS that's included with Windows, in form of the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, aka cousin to the Roland VSC synth, I've not heard too many SoundFonts that can top either one of my Korg hardware synths.




I disagree. To get better results right now, without $100's invested, the SF format is a viable option, especially with the SB card.

Yes, it is old technology, but I feel the Roland sounds have always been pretty unrealistic, and that the Yamaha XG format sounded much better. I would place some of the SF files I have heard over the Roland, ad right up there with the Yamaha Softsynth.

This would get the OP up & running with better sounds, without any investment by grabbing them from Allanah's great site (Thanks Allanah if you read this!).

And it goes without saying that any "newer"hardware sampler will sound better than an old SF, but the Original questions was "would like to know more about how it could help in my songwriting demos." That is what I tried to answer.;)

Of course this is all IMHO, YMMV, yada yada...




JCS,
You took my post completely out of meaning.

I am not, and will not quarrel, that some sound fonts can do everything that you said they can do. However, the vast majority of the soundfonts that I've listened to, or purchased from Sonivox or others, do not stand up to my hardware synths.

BUT, they can do everything that you said they could do, and they are a cost effective way to move beyond the most basic sounds. Plus, with some collections that are very specific in nature to one type of instrument, guitar for example, I can get and use samples that are not available from my keyboard.

Finally, I said this:
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However, SoundFonts are just like any other sample, depending on how good they were recorded, and what you do with them, they may make a difference, or they may make your whole song sound a whole lot worse.




A good soundfont, created by someone like Sonivox, or someone with lots of experience doing sample libraries, may sound very good. It may be just the sound that you are looking for, and it may do everything that you said it would. On the other hand, someone with NO experience, taking samples from various keyboards, as is the case many time, may do a poor job of creating the soundfont, and hence, it would do more damage to your song.

It all depends on the SoundFont.

Gary
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#63620 - 03/06/10 01:49 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: Gary Curran]
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Bob,
It *IS* unfair to compare the two, because there is a huge difference between a $100 SoundFont and a $2,800 keyboard. I was also replying to this particular part of JSC's original post.

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Using a Soundfont will improve immensely the sound you here for a Midi track...




However, I *would*...easily...be willing to compare my $2,800 synth with a $400 Ketron, and very favorably at that. Would you pay someone like Sonivox $100 for something like this?

http://www.sonivoxmi.com/ProductList.asp...l%20MIDI%20Sets

Or, would you be willing to pay PG Music less than $400 for this?

http://www.pgmusic.com/ketronsd2.htm

Yes, I know that cost is often a factor in our decision, I couldn't afford to buy the Ketron now, either.

But, you see my point?

Gary
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#63621 - 03/06/10 02:53 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: Gary Curran]
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Hi Gary,I just listened to those sonivox sound fonts and I was impressed especially the guitars they were the most authentic Ive ever heard Cheers Frankie
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#63622 - 03/06/10 03:44 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: tributeman]
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I am sorry you feel I took your post wrong, I did not mean it that way. But without going to the other thread, here is what was asked in this thread..

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Ive got the creative sb live sound card and would like to know more about how it could help in my songwriting demos.




I answered this question with an answer that I feel was appropriate, that using sound fonts CAN improve his MIDI sounds, thus help with songwriting by working with a better sound set. There was no question about any type of hardware, just how a sound font could help tributeman situation now.

You responded with....

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Not necessarily. While most SoundFonts are a step up from the basic DLS that's included with Windows, in form of the Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth, aka cousin to the Roland VSC synth, I've not heard too many SoundFonts that can top either one of my Korg hardware synths.




Which got off of the originals posters question, and that is what I disagreed with.

I also don't want to quarrel, but I don't feel that I "took my post completely out of meaning." It looked to me that you were saying that hardware is better than sound fonts, and like you, in some circumstances I agree. But that did not address the OP question of HOW sound fonts could help him with the equipment he has NOW.

And it strikes me as funny that, in the 2 comparisons, that tributeman chose the sound font over the hardware!

I again say that by using sound fonts to enhance what tributeman already has that, with no $$ outlay, he can improve his songwriting ability's, and enjoy it a lot more, over the supplied roland stuff.

I will now gracefully bow out of this thread....
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#63623 - 03/06/10 05:38 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: jcspro40]
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JCS,
Okay, I see your point of view.

I did not mean to come across that SoundFonts aren't useful, and that hardware is the end all, be all. I just said I hadn't heard any SF that sounded as good as my hardware. BUT, some SFs *are* good, and do suffice for songwriting.

Gary
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#63624 - 03/06/10 05:42 PM [Off-Topic] Re: sound fonts [Re: Gary Curran]
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Tribute,
I would like to remind you that those are very professionally sequenced packages, and that there is most likely a great deal of tweaking of the final audio product to get the sound you hear. Now, that's not to say that what you hear isn't possible, it is, but it might take a bit to get there.

Gary
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