Hi Ron,you have a good moan ,it all helps with the learning process,some folk may not like you moaning ,but i can assure you they will always help you in this forum ,moaning or not ,i am still learning ,so i know if i have a problem all i need to do is come here and i know someone else will have had the same problem,i too thought RB was not too good until i had ago on Sonar etc,and soon came back to RB,stay with it my friend,then come back in a while and tell us how brilliant RB really is ,best wishes Brian.