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Hi y'all. I haven't forgotten you. I'm still here. That said, I just finished composing a song that has the rock organ RI. The last note is a sustained note. The organ is very lack luster sounding. Is there a way to get this instrument to sound more exciting, other than my recording a real organ (something I don't have ) into the mix?

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Hey Russ, how's the RC airplanes? I was just watching one of the auction shows where the guys found a big RC F16 model jet in an abandoned storage locker and man, all I can say is Wow. It looked like it was 7 or 8 feet long with a 6 foot wingspan. When they had a pro fly it that thing was awesome. It sounded and looked like the real thing.

To answer your question, I agree some of the organs fit and some don't. The problem is as an organist myself, a B3 player is constantly playing with the drawbars and Leslie switch to change the sound especially for an ending. A standard trick for a rock tune is to hit the final chord balls out full Leslie and then turn off the Leslie and let it ramp down while the ending is ringing out to the final guitar crunch.

This is the same thing as what you used to post talking about the guitar RT's. There's so many variations with strings, pickups, mic placement all kinds of stuff that changes the sound that just a few guitar RT's won't cut it and it's the same with B3's.

What I can offer you is to use my Roland VK B3 clone to record maybe 10 or 15 short snippet versions of whatever chord you need and email them to you. Wouldn't take me but a couple of minutes and my Roland sounds very good. I would use 2 or 3 drawbar settings, w/Leslie, w/o leslie, a couple of chord inversions and you can pick which one you want.

I know this doesn't help much, we all want to have a library of RT's that cover everything we would want but not yet.

<some organs fit and some don't>??

That didn't sound right.

Bob

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I play rock organ too. Jazzmammal is exactly correct. If it’s a crash ending, depending on how wild the song was and how long the drummer stretched the end out, I play 7th and 9th chords, I slide up to the 13th of the chord, I lay my arm on 2 octaves of low notes and start and stop the Leslie.

There’s no way to get BIAB to do this, unless crash endings are part of the next RT style set.

That is a nice offer from Jazzmammal. If you post the end of your song, I would be happy to send you a recording also.

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Ah, real tracks are nice but MIDI many times can do so much if you let it!

I worked for years as a hack musicican doing one man band dates with old beat up organs that where all I could afford at the time. Man I wanted a b3 do bad! Well now I have one. It's in the vintage organ series and I play it through the Kontact player. I have an Oxegen 49 with sliders for a controller and I am able to play it just like the real thing, drawbars and all in real time with my sequence going in the background.

Virtual instruments allow you to do so much. I also purchased the Korg digital collection for $100 and Korg turned around and gave me the Korg vintage collection as a bonus. Now I've got the M1, Wavestation, Poly 61 and other Korg keyboards that I could never afford in the past. What is really great is I can have them all inside of my laptop. No weight and they sound as ballsy as I want them to by working the dials and the volume.

I really would suggest getting a good virtual organ and play those parts you're interested into the sequences. Of course I bet many guitarists would recommend recording the guitars live and not using real tracks but not being a guitar player I have to rely on Brent. I am able to play the organ well enough that my tracks are better (not because I'm better) because of the control I have over them.


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I use auto panning and chorus to give an organ more depth . I also like the organs in Kontact for vsti's for the midi styles.

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