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Hi, this is what happens when I try to use this feature ("Practice Window->Transpose Songs->Each Chorus that a song is playing, transpose by # semitones")
1. If the style is all MIDI (including MIDI drums), the feature works, but there is a slight silence between one chorus and the next one. In addition, the last two beats of the last bar sounds already transposed. For example, instead of playng:
C /C /C /C /(NEW CHORUS)/F /F..., it plays:
C /C /C /C(SILENCE)F /(NEW CHORUS)/F /F...)
However, one still can play along with BIAB, since tempo is keept by the program. Not very elegant, but useable.
2. If I use a MIDI style with realdrums, the "silence" between chorus / transpositions is bigger, and the tempo is totally lost each chorus change.
3. If I use a RT style, the silence between chorus / transpositions is now enormous, wich makes this option totally unusable. Aditionally:
-The transposition algorithms start to fail: for example, if I'm transposing in 4ths, instead of transposing from C->F, it transposes from C->F (no sound) and then, inmediately, to Bb.
-Sometimes, the actual chords played by BIAB are different of the ones showed on the screen. For example, you can hear F when the chord displayed is D
-Sometimes the black scroll bar showed on the main screen gets desynchronized with the audio bars.
Is it only me or anyone can confirm?
Last edited by Cerio; 09/12/12 03:05 PM.
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>>> Is it only me or anyone can confirm?
Yes, this is the way it works. This feature, at the end of each chorus, transposes the song, and then regenerates it. In the case of MIDI, as you've pointed out, it happens seamlessly.
When there are RealTracks or RealDrums, it takes time to regenerate these, so there will be a silence.
So I'd recommend using MIDI styles if it is taking a long time. or setting the song to a small # of choruses.
An alternative is to use the Edit Copy From To dialog, and copy 1 chorus multiple times, transposing each time. Then you'd end up with a big song (say 192 bars for 6 choruses of a 32 bar form, and each one would be pre-transposed. That file will play back smoothly with RealTracks or MIDI.
Have Fun!
Peter Gannon
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Thanks for your answer, Peter. Yes, "Copy from...to..." works well for practical purposes. Anyway, it would be nice seeing this behaviour fixed in future patchs / versions if it's possible.
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If you think about it that's counter intuitive. The software sees and ending, and then regenerates the necessary tracks. As Peter pointed out, there is a way around this.
Even if you give yourself 64 bars at most tempos it's time to rest the chops anyway, unless you play a guitar and then you go until the fingers give out.
Adding something like that, useful to a few people, might bloat the software for those who never use it. You'd have to add the code for that, and that eats up space when you load the program. I'm sure they fight with those limitations all the time, for if every idea took up memory space it would end up as the largest piece of code that ever ran on a computer. (I exaggerate of course, a bit eh?)
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It would be nice if it could be made a bit more seamless, though...
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If you think about it that's counter intuitive. The software sees and ending, and then regenerates the necessary tracks. As Peter pointed out, there is a way around this.
It seems that the "Transpose song each chorus" function was implemented before the arrival of Realdrums and Realtracks (when generating time was not an issue), at was never revised since then. The problem could be solved if the program could generate all choruses beforehand instead of the actual way of generating a chorus -> Transpose -> generating the transposed chorus, etc.
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Even if you give yourself 64 bars at most tempos it's time to rest the chops anyway, unless you play a guitar and then you go until the fingers give out.
The problem, John, is that the tempo gets absolutely lost between one chorus and the next one. Try it by yourself.
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Adding something like that, useful to a few people, might bloat the software for those who never use it. You'd have to add the code for that, and that eats up space when you load the program. I'm sure they fight with those limitations all the time, for if every idea took up memory space it would end up as the largest piece of code that ever ran on a computer. (I exaggerate of course, a bit eh?)
Well, I'm not sure if you're speaking seriously or not (BTW, I appreciate a lot your sense of humour), but if you think about that, I'm not asking PGMusic to add a new feature, but to fix an old one wich, IMHO, is not working correctly. One feature, by the way, that could be potentially useful for a lot of customers, since, as you know very well, practicing a jazz standard in all keys is a very common practise in jazz studies.
Finally, BIAB is, without a doubt, my favourite piece of music software, and I can live very well with the workaround mentioned above because I know very well the enourmous potential that the program has to offer to all musicians in many areas. Still, it would be nicer if that particular feature would work smoothly, that's all 
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If you want aomething to be seriously considered by pgmusic development, enter a post on the Band in a Box Wishlist forum.
That is obviously where they look to see what customers desire, not all are ever implemented, but, over the years I've seen many "New Features" come along that started out as Wishlist Requests.
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