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#183327 12/07/12 12:00 PM
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The HD version ships with a booklet regarding new features but I need a full blown printed manual so I get sit with it...use a Highlighter pen and Post-it Notes.

That is because as a non-Power User, I forget a lot of what I "learn" if I don't use a given technique every day.

I asked Support and was told that a printed manual will be available for sale in February. I will order it immediately upon its availability and just thought that others might want to know when it will be available.

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Hi Jim,

Thank you for the information. I'm with you. I like to have a manual to.

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Jim,

Ditto on the posting

Thank you.


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Helpful info. Thanks.


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Thanx for the heads up. I also would like a printed manual. I hope PGMusic will announce when it is ready.


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You're all welcome. In my profession, I spend a LOT of time staring at a PC screen and I just can't stomach (and my eye doctors tells me not to) more screen time for hobbies!!

BTW...the Doc also tells me to force myself to:

A. Focus AWAY from and back to the monitor a LOT and

B. Blink alot. Apparently, we tend to "under-blink" when intently focusing on a computer screen and therefore, we get much less lubrication.

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+1 here for the printed manual....will order as soon as is available..

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Ditto av84fun.
I'm in for a hard copy manual, especially for where the digital and audio cross.
I'm not that up on computers and I find that I can get a great tune into BiaB or Realband in minutes and then spend HOURS trying to get it to work as I want! That can't be right.
Biab was meant to be simple.It is in its basic use but now us just as complex to get the best out if it as Sonar, Cubase etc ad nauseum.
If it wasn't for this forum I'd probably have packed it in years ago.
And yes - this is a Hobby for me. I don't want to have to make it another Career. Been there-done that-retired from it.
My eyes have been grateful ever since.
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Take the PDF to a copy center and have it printed and binded for you.

It doesn't break the bank, mind you...


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I priced out the PDF for Propellerhead Reason 6, which would have run to about 1100 pages. Their online estimator priced it at nearly $700 USD. I called a store and they said yeah, that was a mistake, it would only be $350. End of hard copy for THAT program. In this case it pays to wait.


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Take the PDF to a copy center and have it printed and binded for you.




around here commercial printers like KINKOS won't print copies of (C) books, manuals etc.

But you can buy printer paper that is pre-punched for binders and do it yourself:

http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/495200/Office-Depot-Brand-3-Hole-Punch/
(price is for a whole box... but if it's available that way, it should be available in smaller packs)
or

http://www.bizrate.com/paper/608921824.html

Advantages of doing this are:

1) you can print the "WHAT'S NEW IN THIS VERSION" manual and insert the pages at the correct place in the binder
2) if you have software that lets you edit PDFs, you can maintain your own merged and customized version of the manual
3) you can create separate sections or edit the PDF to insert other tricks or pertinent information where applicable
4) you can edit the table of contents to use whatever keywords or description you choose

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Good suggestion Pat. But I don't know how many pages the full manual would be or how many ink cartriges would be consumed printing it or how much the PG printed version would sell for.

PG...How many pages...and what would your expected price be...roughly...for the printed manual.

Armed with that info we could make an informed decision about whether to wait or proceed DIY.

Also...PG...I don't know the issues surrounding the wait until February. My GUESS is a production backlog at a large commercial printing firm you might use.

But I for one would gladly pay $100 for the manual NOW.


THANKS!

Jim

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Good suggestion Pat. But I don't know how many pages the full manual would be or how many ink cartriges would be consumed printing it or how much the PG printed version would sell for.




I wouldn't even consider printing my own manual with an ink jet printer. But laser printers are CHEAP these days!

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PG...How many pages...and what would your expected price be...roughly...for the printed manual. Armed with that info we could make an informed decision about whether to wait or proceed DIY.





it will be a lot less than a laser printer ... probably even less than a package of binder paper

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But I for one would gladly pay $100 for the manual NOW.




if that's the price you're willing to pay, I feel sure you could find a laser printer for less than that at just about any computer store... and you could have it today.


previous thread on the topic:
http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...true#Post228384

http://www.pgmusic.com/forums/showflat.p...true#Post259806

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Commercial printers around here will not print copyrighted manuals either.

I’m going t buy an e-reader soon for all of my PDF manuals.


My goal this weekend is to move just enough each day so that no one pokes me to see if I'm dead or not.

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But I for one would gladly pay $100 for the manual NOW.





Really ??

The last and only printed manual I have is from 2007. The size is 6" x 9" (actually a little less)

Not a friend of old eyes.

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The last and only printed manual I have is from 2007. The size is 6" x 9" (actually a little less)

Not a friend of old eyes.




I'm with you on that one. I'd rather have it large print, 8-1/2 X 11, even if it costs a few bucks more. There's a lot of us old farts here that would benefit from that.

But $100 bucks? ...... No way.

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I've been into running a paperless office for a long time now. Of course, there are some situations where I have to resort to the printed stuff, but by this time I now look on THAT as the hassle. Small print, small booklets, that sort of thing.

BUT -- All that dissolves with a .pdf and working the program a bit.

Page too small? Enlarge it. To the point where it can be seen across the room, at least a portion of it anways.

Don't like the screen contrast or brightness because it is hard on the eyes? Change the settings. In certain cases, maybe investigate a new monitor.

.pdf manuals, schematics, service manuals, study material, fakebooks (yes, laptop on the gig sometimes) books and novels, too, in some cases.

And then there's the Kindle. Fantastic.


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Bob and Dana....either of you...or anyone else willing to print me out an 8.5x11 version of the FULL 2013 manual and guarantee delivery in a week or 2 will get a hundred bucks from me in a heartbeat!

I just don't have the time to mess around with it.

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I've been into running a paperless office for a long time now. Of course, there are some situations where I have to resort to the printed stuff, but by this time I now look on THAT as the hassle. Small print, small booklets, that sort of thing.

BUT -- All that dissolves with a .pdf and working the program a bit.

Page too small? Enlarge it. To the point where it can be seen across the room, at least a portion of it anways.

Don't like the screen contrast or brightness because it is hard on the eyes? Change the settings. In certain cases, maybe investigate a new monitor.

.pdf manuals, schematics, service manuals, study material, fakebooks (yes, laptop on the gig sometimes) books and novels, too, in some cases.

And then there's the Kindle. Fantastic.


--Mac




"Page too small? Enlarge it. To the point where it can be seen across the room, at least a portion of it anways."

Yes but all that Highliter pen really messes up my computer screen!!!!

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Yes but all that Highliter pen really messes up my computer screen!!!!

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Yeah, but it's not as bad as White Out


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