|
Log in to post
|
Print Thread |
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,859
Veteran
|
OP
Veteran
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,859 |
Hi folks,
Now and again I leave my computer on all night when I am running a program that takes a long time to complete.
Just wondering how much of a fire risk is this, since we got a fright yesterday when an electric shower 13 years old but otherwise working fine went on fire, black smoke flames coming out of side and burnt part of the casing. We had a fire extinguisher nearby (powder type) so used that to put out fire.
Makes me wonder about leaving the computer on over night since its got the foam padding as well inside to keep the case quiet.
Musiclover
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,610
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,610 |
Four words:
A Good Surge Protector.
Cheers,
Mike
PS: I leave mine on all the time except for when there is a thunderstorm in the area. 7 years running, seldom powered off.
Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921 |
Ditto to what Mike said. Also, make sure you keep it dusted inside and out. Canned air is expensive but worth it for the safety and longevity of your PC. Blow out the power supply and CPU fan if you can get at it, also the GPU (graphics card) if it has a fan. I frequently leave PCs on for days at a time, shutting down if I am leaving home or during a storm.
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
*ANY* electrical device may become a fire hazard at any time, there are no guarantees against that happening.
However, modern electrical devices do have to meet a host of standards mandated by many countries, and this certainly helps a lot in the matter of risk avoidance.
The wiring inside your walls is likely the most important thing to keep to code and maintained properly if fire prevention is the goal.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
I'm trying to figure out just what exactly is an, "electric shower"`....
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,102
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jun 2003
Posts: 1,102 |
Quote:
I'm trying to figure out just what exactly is an, "electric shower"`....
Electric Shower
Usually referred to as a tankless shower here in the states.
Keith
2024 Audiophile Windows 11 AMD RYZEN THREADRIPPER 3960X 4.5GHZ 128 GB RAM 2 Nvidia RTX 3090s, Vegas,Acid,SoundForge,Izotope Production,Melodyne Studio,Cakewalk,Raven Mti
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Oh.
I think here in the states you might more often encounter this as "Tankless Hotwater Heater" or at least "On Demand Hot Water".
Such a device, if electric, would draw several orders of magnitude more current than the Personal Computer. That could be a fire hazard. The computer, not so much.
Thanks, Keith.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,123
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 6,123 |
Besides for a good surge protector, check the weather forecast. No surge protector can stop a close lightning strike from toasting your computer.
Insights and incites by Notes
Bob "Notes" Norton  Norton Music
https://www.nortonmusic.com
100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove
& Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 330
Journeyman
|
|
Journeyman
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 330 |
Mac has a point, most computers will draw around 400 to 500 watts of power while in use unless a super fast gaming rig with top end multiple graphics cards and power supply to match, even then a full 1000 watts is pushing the boundary a bit too far.
However as we in the UK do call them electric shower units as that is what they are intended to be used for, they are an on demand water heater, modern units can draw as much as 10 kilowatts, though the average will be around four to eight kilowatts units. That is here in the UK with our mains supply at 240 volts, a full 10 kilowatt unit will draw 41.6 amps, an 8 kilowatt will draw 33.3 amps, and so on. In countries where the supply voltage is 110 volts the current is over double that for 240 volts with nearly 100 amps for a 10 kilowatt unit. At those currents it only needs a slightly loose connection screw to overheat the connection to the point of fire breaking out.
Although a loose or poor connection will heat up and eventually cause fire in the supply to a computer, the instability of the computer due to the bad connection, will hopefully have prompted an early enough investigation to rectify it.
Having said that, there is still the chance of one of the higher current components in the computer power supply, could be a Friday afternoon lemon and burn out. The recent problems with electrolytic capacitors going pop due to the wrong electrolyte being used, could also be a cause of fire as once blown can become a short circuit.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,492
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,492 |
Quite a few of the cheaper power supply units are regarded as incendiary bombs or combustive agents. Insufficent components (mostly: too cheap components) will overheat and then...
Also a otherwise safe component might become underdimensioned if components of a(n off the shelve) computer are exchanged to "more"powerful" ones. Most likely the PSUs of complete systems made by most manufacturers or assemblers have little reserve/cushion/spare (I don't know the right word).
If you want to be on the safe side: check the PSU in your computer and calculate the max. power needed and replace it -- if necessary -- to one that may deliver at least 20 per cent more performance than needed at the max. And buy the products of reliable manufactures only.
Guido
Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build
Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Quote:
Quite a few of the cheaper power supply units are regarded as incendiary bombs or combustive agents. Insufficent components (mostly: too cheap components) will overheat and then...
But don't overlook the fact that the computer power supply is contained inside its own steel box. And that box is also contained inside the PC's enclosure as well.
So that, while you may indeed experience a fault situation in which a component inside the power supply may overheat or even reach combustion point, the event will be contained and it would be quite difficult for that to start a fire to any surroundings given the average expected environment.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Apr 2010
Posts: 5,139 |
Aside from leaving your computer on/off, there are a bunch of other appliances that draw power,even on standby. With the cost of power these days, it might be advisable to unplug many of these when not in use. I found a handy way to check power consumption is to use a Kill-A-Watt meter. I use one to check power at venues before plugging anything in. It's also handy for calculating power draw on a given circuit to prevent overloading. http://www.p3international.com/products/special/p4400/p4400-ce.html
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,492
Expert
|
|
Expert
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 1,492 |
Yes, they usually are encased with quite a few openings into the PC case. The air to cool the PSU comes more often than not from inside the PC. Even if the fan sucks air out of the PC, once the PSU starts to burn the fan will stop soon after. Depending on where in the PC the PSU is located and whether the PC case is made from metal or other material.
I'm not saying each and every cheap PSU will cause fire, many of them are known as Chinese firecrackers.
While a burning PSU destroys itself -- it might find some empathic companions for the trip towards Nirwana...
Guido
Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build
Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921 |
I'm a little skittish about high voltage (defined as 120 VAC or above) and dust. I once had a 100A three-phase breaker box that I had personally locked in the off position blow up in my face. By the grace of God I wasn't injured in the least, but there was a hell of a bang. We later figured that dust falling through the contacts ahead of the breaker had caused a short. (After that I started wearing a face shield while working on electrics.) My point is that an overheated PC is likely to cause problems, and that overheating is likely to be caused by dust. My concern is that the dust may ignite and be blown outside the PC case by the PSU fan, possibly setting fire to something in the room. This is perhaps a bit baroque, but are you willing to bet the safety of your home or studio on its not happening? Far better to be safe than sorry. Clean the inside of your PC regularly and make sure, as stated above, that the power supply is rated at least 20% in excess of the sum of your system's component draw. In fact, inrush current on startup can briefly run 30% above steady state, so more is better. Lastly, if your house wiring isn't already so equipped, you may want to make sure that your surge protector has ground fault interruption (GFI). If you don't do these things, at best the CPU or PSU will fail sooner than expected, and at worst--catastrophe. Signed, Lemony Snicket (See A Series of Unfortunate Events)  :P
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
Quote:
I'm a little skittish about high voltage (defined as 120 VAC or above) and dust. I once had a 100A three-phase breaker box that I had personally locked in the off position blow up in my face. By the grace of God I wasn't injured in the least, but there was a hell of a bang. We later figured that dust falling through the contacts ahead of the breaker had caused a short. (After that I started wearing a face shield while working on electrics.)
I don't know of ANY Personal Computer that is designed to draw power from a 3-phase system, much less one that requires 3-phase, 100Amp supply.
In the US, 3-phase voltage is going to be either 208V or 440 - 480V. That's quite a lot higher potential going on than the common 120VAC house supply, which is single phase.
As with *any* technology where power is involved, we must excercise *reason* coupled with common sense when confronted with safety issues.
And also pay attention to the statistical data, which ih the instance of PCs being able to start home fires is likely down around the fractional percentage of the total. That means it might happen, certainly, under any number of possible circumstances, some of which may be caused by simultaneous failures, such as a natural gas leak in an environment where there is a running PC that also manages to fail and make a spark inside and boom, but that might come under the subject of proper technology maintenance of said enironment more than anything else.
Electrical faults inside the common PC, when running from common household AC, with a properly installed Circuit Breaker on the grounded AC line (or even a properly installed Fuse Box situation on an ungrounded line) is statistically rather safe.
--Mac
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 8,333 |
I spent many years as an certified Fire and Explosion investigator. Never saw a computer that caused a fire. A bit of smoke an few times, once my own 5 grand 5 meg hard drive, it filled the office with black smoke but only a resistor burned and it was tiny, and my drive worked for two more years. I've seen whole apts wired with Electrolux wire the owner fixed them and re used the wire. One nite out for last call at a local, the stereo caught fire. 85 feet of Electrolux cord to a plug and that of course dropped the voltage and now you apply Ohms law. Magazines on top of the stereo and...bingo. Fire. Two hundred thousand insurance claim and a four plex that was supposed to be a duplex least ten homeless and killed 4 pets. No detectors worked. Like a lot of home made car stereo systems.. Ummm no sir only thing I've done to my sweet ride was add a big stereo, you should have seen the headlights dance when the bass was grovin moved them lights up and down shaking my car. Geez. Son you needed to pop a cap in that ride! Electrical joke there. Keep your fan clear, don't pile stuff on top, and just do like me, turn it off when you move it. 
John Conley
Musica est vita
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,960
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,960 |
Well, this forum has passed another milestone: now we have electrical jokes. Watt's up with that? 
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: May 2000
Posts: 38,502 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Off-Topic
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921
Veteran
|
|
Veteran
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 3,921 |
"My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.
ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
User Video: Band-in-a-Box® + ChatGPT = Impressed the BOSS!
Band-in-a-Box User Video Tutorials!
If you've reviewed our Support page, you've probably noticed the Videos page, which separates our Band-in-a-Box® tutorial videos by category: Overview, VST DAW Plugin, Setup, Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, and there's even an Archive category to go down memory lane... (You'll also find these videos on our YouTube Channel.)
It's always great to hear how other Band-in-a-Box® users create their songs, especially when they explain in detail what they're doing. Like Henry Clarke's YouTube Channel, Henry Clarke - Senior Musicians Unite! There you'll find his ALL Band-in-a-Box Tutorials playlist with over 50 videos! His top-three most watched videos include "How to Get Started with Band-in-a-Box," "How I use the Audio Chord Wizard in Band-in-a-Box," and "How to Create An Effective Solo Using Band-in-a-Box" - however he touches on many other topics and also demonstrates his own Band-in-a-Box® songs in the Band-in-a-Box Created Songs playlist!
You're guaranteed to find some helpful videos when you visit Henry Clarke's channel!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Italian for Windows is Here!
Ci siamo dati da fare e abbiamo aggiunto oltre 50 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria raccolta di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 222 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 3, Playable RealDrums Set 2, due nuovi set di "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 e altro ancora!
Tutti Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 French for Windows is Here!
Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 et bien plus encore!
Tous Packages | Nouvelles Fonctionnalités
Video: Making a Song with Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V
Take your Band-in-a-Box® project to a whole new level when you incorporate ChatGPT and Synth V to add lyrics and vocals to your song!
We wanted to demonstrate how this is done with our video, where we show you how to go from nothing to a finished "radio ready" modern pop song by combining the features of Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V!
Listen to the finished song, so you get a listen to the finished product: https://demos.pgmusic.com/misc/behindthefame.m4a
If you like it, watch the video. Either way, let's hear your comments!
Henry Clarke: Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function
User Video: Convert MIDI Chords into AI Vocal Harmonies with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Forums65
Topics81,884
Posts739,467
Members38,647
| |
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
There are no members with birthdays on this day. |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Dansk
Deutsch - Windows
Español
Français - Windows
Italiano - Windows
Nederlands
Polski
Português
Svenskt
русский
Japanese
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese
Korean