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Extended notation to include chords after the slash #206159 06/13/13 09:42 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 958 aleck rand OP Expert
OP aleck rand Expert Joined: Dec 2012 Posts: 958	Hi Everyone, You know what would be really cool: If BIAB could expand the idea of slash chords to include not just slash notes but slash triads like C/Db(triad) or Cm/Bbm(triad). Two things to consider (1) The above are very hip sounds without equivalents - at least it seems so at first glance - in BIAB. (2) I've been convinced for ages (and it turns out that other Forum members have thought about it - see the thread on Polychords by Tonnie) that this generalized slash notation would take the fat out of chord names like Dbmaj13#9#11. A convincing example will be given below. Evidently, this slash system has existed for years in even more general form and is part of conventional jazz education. Such extended notation - chord X/chord Y - shouldn't present great difficulties for MIDI implementation in BIAB. Take my favorite chord: C13b9#9#11b13 - not really, I just made it up at random as a suitably grotesque example. Needless to say, it is not in BIAB's chord list. However, rewritten as chord X /Chord Y where X = Ab (major triad) and Y = Gbm7, it becomes Ab/Gbm7. If you were an improviser, which notation would you prefer to see? Let's check it on the piano. With the left hand play the inversion Db E Gb A for the slash chord Gbm7 and the inversion C Eb Ab in the right. Actually, you can use any inversions you like. Listen to that killer chord. Now it's a fave! Reading from left to right, we have Db E Gb A C Eb Ab, which in the key of C works out to b9 3 #11 13 ROOT #9 b13. The fifth and dominant seventh are suppressed. The bassist can play any of these notes, but C, Gb and Ab seem like preferred choices. I ask PG to seriously consider the idea for MIDI implementation and other Forum members to give support. Aleck Rand Sweetwater Creation Station. BIAB 2018, Mixcraft 8 Pro Studio, Izotope Nektar 2, Ozone 8, KEYBOARDS: Kurzweil Artis 7, Crumar MOJO, Hammond XK-3, BASSES (fretted & fretless by Ibanez, LTD, Warwick. GUITARS by Guild, Gretsch, Ibanez, Eastwood (12 string)

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash aleck rand #206162 06/13/13 10:31 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,960 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,960 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Originally Posted By: aleck rand If you were an improviser, which notation would you prefer to see? Aleck Rand The short one, naturally. +1 BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash Matt Finley #206171 06/13/13 11:19 AM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,077 Hamlin NY MarioD Veteran
MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,077 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: Matt Finley Originally Posted By: aleck rand If you were an improviser, which notation would you prefer to see? Aleck Rand The short one, naturally. +1 Another +1 for the same reason! You know you're getting old when a recliner and a heating pad is your idea of a hot date! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash aleck rand #206309 06/14/13 01:48 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,610 Buford, GA MikeK Veteran
MikeK Veteran Joined: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,610 Buford, GA	Ditto! +1 Cheers, Mike My Music * Asus ROG Strix G15CF 32 GB DDR4 4TB HDD + 1 TB SSD NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 8GB Win 11 AKAI EIE PRO Sound Interface. BIAB/RB 2024 UltraPak Build - Latest

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash aleck rand #206459 06/15/13 05:23 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 716 Scotland alan S. Journeyman
alan S. Journeyman Joined: Jun 2003 Posts: 716 Scotland	Absolutely +1 It's not just that the chord sheet ends up a mess of extended/altered dominant spellings. It's how you respond to it as a player. You're more likely to see 13susb9#11 or whatever as a V chord. Diatonic spellings lead to diatonic thinking. The other thing is that BIAB rarely plays the whole extended chord at once. The limitations of it's C7 chord template become evident if for example the pattern doesn't have enough octave doublings to support extended dominant voicings. For example you need midi notes G5 and a G6 in every pattern's chord voicing to get #11 and the natural 5th to sound together consistently. Regards Alan Last edited by alan S.; 06/16/13 05:09 AM.

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash aleck rand #261209 09/02/14 03:39 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 60 Berlin, Germany, Deutschland Michael Frank Enthusiast
Michael Frank Enthusiast Joined: Aug 2014 Posts: 60 Berlin, Germany, Deutschland	Yes, I am in favour of that, too. Michael Frank http://www.michael-frank.eu

Re: Extended notation to include chords after the slash alan S. #261235 09/02/14 06:32 PM Band-in-a-Box Wishlist
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,960 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,960 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	[i][/i] Originally Posted By: alan S. Diatonic spellings lead to diatonic thinking. Alan Surprisingly deep. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

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