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Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Danny C. #291371 04/12/15 08:44 PM Off-Topic
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Kajun Jeaux Journeyman K Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 457 Baker, La	Originally Posted By: Danny C. Wow you could have gotten the same message across without the last two pretty sarcastic digs at Mr. Gannon, or is it just me seeing it this way? Later, No, Danny, it isn't just you. I see it the same way as you. Jeaux

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291373 04/12/15 08:53 PM Off-Topic
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ZeroZero Expert Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,740 Bynar	Funny but true story. I commissioned myal2 company to do a logo for a new business called Recovery Pathways (mental health). When I got the designs back the said 'recovery partways'. We fell about laughing, but it was hard getting a refund . Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291374 04/12/15 08:58 PM Off-Topic
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ZeroZero Expert Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,740 Bynar	Like your stuff Don, do we need the address? Perhaps a picture of a session musician. Who was that drummer in the muppets? I am sure with your sense of humour you could find Something? Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds ZeroZero #291377 04/12/15 10:13 PM Off-Topic
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GHinCH Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,492 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany	We probably don't need the complete steet zip place address. I also would include a QR code for easy smartphone access without typing. Email, website, phone are sufficient in a not too prominent way. It just needs to be there for smartphoneless people. Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Ryszard #291378 04/12/15 10:18 PM Off-Topic
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GHinCH Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,492 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany	1.: Band-in-a-Box versus 2.: Band in a Box I like the first one, because it is a unit. The second one is harder to trademark since it is only a phrase that could be used in normal language. The first one is clear in that sense. But the logo of Band-in-a-Box is without hyphenation: http://www.pgmusic.com/gfx/bb_logo_homepage.png Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds GHinCH #291414 04/13/15 08:51 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,987 Oklahoma, USA Don Gaynor Veteran
Don Gaynor Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,987 Oklahoma, USA	Please remember that these are still "conceptual graphics" or "idea-starters". I even violated my own "no space rule" in the address frame. Also, I love symmetry so the waveform, being heavy on the port side, begs to be replaced. All text needs to be centered. The text in the address frame can be opened up then reduced to a smaller type size. Perhaps the smallest legible size. That would allow concatenation of vital information on fewer lines. I sort of like the hawk in the earlier graphic, not as a mascot, but as a source of adjectives: soar; higher; flight; air; sight; excellence; strength; etc. The hawk can easily be reduced in size. Remember, this is only conceptual. Donny SoundClick: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1209254&content=music SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/donald-gaynor BIAB 2021 w/current updates.

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291419 04/13/15 10:12 AM Off-Topic
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ZeroZero Expert Joined: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,740 Bynar	Like your work Don, please carry on Maybe "less is more" Maybe four words is too much?....?.../???? just taking a perspective... Z Win 11 64, Asus Rog Strix z390 mobo, 64 gig RAM, 8700k

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Don Gaynor #291420 04/13/15 10:25 AM Off-Topic
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GHinCH Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,492 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany	No worries, mate. Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds GHinCH #291426 04/13/15 12:00 PM Off-Topic
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Ryszard Veteran Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,921 Kennesaw (Atlanta) GA	GHinCH, you'd be amazed at what can be trademarked in the US. I see television ads by drug companies, investment firms, and other businesses who have laid claim to rather common phrases. Let me assure you, it would work here. "My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Ryszard #291446 04/13/15 02:12 PM Off-Topic
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Ryszard Veteran Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 3,921 Kennesaw (Atlanta) GA	Of course, I completely forgot that PGM is a Canadian enterprise . . . "My primary musical instrument is the personal computer."

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291447 04/13/15 02:42 PM Off-Topic
Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,659 Mi., USA rharv Veteran
rharv Veteran Joined: May 2000 Posts: 21,659 Mi., USA	My Humble Opinion; It needs more 'hard sell' at this point in its maturation. No need to be shy. Possible lines (off the top of my head): You're missing the boat! Work with Real Musicians You'll hear the difference Hear your song with RealArtists performing on your tracks (with a link to partial list and 'read more') The best kept secret of recording & production studios. Wanna jam with Jeff Lorber, Neil Swainson, Ron Carter, Brent Mason, Miles Black and other studio musicians? Check out BiaB/RB .. Link to site (of course) 30 Day Money Back Guarantee There are so many aspects that could draw in sales. Also more more current graphic enticement in the ads .. need to catch the eye to begin with. We are all bombarded by ads daily. Just my thoughts on this tonight.. Make your sound your own! .. I do not work here, but the benefits are still awesome

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds rharv #291452 04/13/15 03:48 PM Off-Topic
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Don Gaynor Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 8,987 Oklahoma, USA	Excellent points all, rharv. Perhaps my efforts would be better described as "splash screens", I honestly don't know how they would fit in the overall scheme of things. (Exiting stage left). Donny SoundClick: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=1209254&content=music SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/donald-gaynor BIAB 2021 w/current updates.

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291458 04/13/15 05:00 PM Off-Topic
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rockstar_not Veteran R Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,913 Colorado Springs, CO, USA	I'm just glad to see these suggestions carry on without skewering, other than the OP. I tried to raise these points a few years ago and was pretty much run off the forum for making very similar comments. No harm in rharv's suggested name dropping. That is absolutely a distinctive feature unmatched by any other product on the market. My Songs, photos, writing,etc. My Sound Cloud

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291471 04/13/15 07:43 PM Off-Topic
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JohnJohnJohn Veteran J Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,597	What is the most important thing about BIAB? - 30-day guarantee? Nope. I don't care about a guarantee on something I ain't gonna buy! This is important but ya gotta hook me first. Maybe this is included in the ad but it ain't the most prominent part. - A list of the RealTracks musicians? Nope. I am an amateur songwriter (perfect target audience for BIAB) and I have never heard of any of them! Most potential customers have not either. - A bunch of happy customer quotes? nope. Every product can come up with (or make up) fans raving! These are secondary or tertiary. - A photo of an eagle? Nope. Great looking bird but it has nothing to do with the product and too vague to be a good metaphor. This is an extremely important initial step in this process and it will be affected by properly defining the target audience too! My suggestion is to work really hard to come up with the absolute coolest features of BIAB and then fashion a "hook" using those. rharv is doing some of that in his post. For me (and I would guess a lot of potential customers) these are, BIAB is software that enables fast and easy creation of professional quality musical accompaniment using the chord progressions you enter on the screen! It includes real instruments such as guitars, drums, bass, banjo, fiddle, sax, piano and lots more, all played by professional musicians and sampled for your convenience! You have full control over chords, key, tempo, style/genre and lots more! Add your own instruments or create your tracks entirely within the software. BIAB gives you a comprehensive professional backing band for performing or recording with! Then, take the optimized/summarized message and do a very attractive, modern ad that gets people to look at it and bother to read the text instead of dismissing it as something old and cheesy! Don't mention MIDI anywhere in the ad! Perhaps do not even use the logo or screenshots because they are just not up-to-date or sophisticated enough to look good in a high-end ad. Just my opinions...YMMV!

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds JohnJohnJohn #291479 04/13/15 08:49 PM Off-Topic
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CeeBee Expert Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 824 Germany	And add for good measure "BEWARE, THIS SOFTWARE IS ADDICTIVE!" Chris

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds JohnJohnJohn #291485 04/14/15 01:43 AM Off-Topic
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GHinCH Expert Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 1,492 Schleswig-Holstein, Germany	While we're at it: There are many good suggestions here and most of them probably work with quite a few people. Those who are not interested by one approach will get hooked by another. The professionals, once they have a few ideas, usually call their lady friend AIDA. AIDA stands for 1) Attention 2) Interest 3) Desire 4) Action I have no problem with the current logo per se. Maybe it could be a bit freshened up. But I generally would leave it as it is in a general way. Many have seen it in advertisements and at music fairs. So it something familiar for many. Unless one has the brilliant idea for a catchy logo that works equally good in color and in black and white -- leave it alone. The logo doesn't sell, it is a mere object to recognize something. Or do you get interested to buy a Chevy when you see the sheared cross of the Chevrolet logo? We have to attract attention. That leads us to define our target groups and their needs Songwriters -- prototype new songs in different genres Music school attendees -- practise musical sequences to master the instrument Instrumentalists -- practise and learn band material Singers -- more or less the same as instrumentalists others? When we have their attention we need them to get interested. This is cool Can I use it it seems like a time saver Easy access links to less than a minute videos others? Then they need to grow the desire to have the product. This is cool I need it That's a time saver My birthday, Easter, Christmas is near I finally will sound great with this backing band. others? And finally the action: Call, if the line's busy: Call later, but do call. Easy contact address, better than sales@at is bill@, george@, or sue@. Print media: QR code to video. video needs clickable email or chat contact, even a clickable phone number Electonic media: clickable links to video, email or chat contact, phone number others? So: I would generate an advertising envelope that can be filled with the appropriate content for the respective target group. Desktop; i7-2600k, 8 GB mem., Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build Laptop: i5-2410M, 4 GB mem, Win 10 Pro, BIAB 2017; RB 2017 - latest build

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds JohnJohnJohn #291499 04/14/15 03:36 AM Off-Topic
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,050 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn BIAB is software that enables fast and easy creation of professional quality musical accompaniment using the chord progressions you enter on the screen! It includes real instruments such as guitars, drums, bass, banjo, fiddle, sax, piano and lots more, all played by professional musicians and sampled for your convenience! You have full control over chords, key, tempo, style/genre and lots more! Add your own instruments or create your tracks entirely within the software. BIAB gives you a comprehensive professional backing band for performing or recording with! ...... Don't mention MIDI anywhere in the ad! Just my opinions...YMMV! I agree with everything except the don't mention MIDI part. The rest of the music world is heavy into MIDI and in fact the only site on which some don't believe this is this site. IMHO add MIDI to the above and you have the perfect ad! My goal this weekend is to move just enough each day so that no one pokes me to see if I'm dead or not. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291518 04/14/15 06:37 AM Off-Topic
Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,705 USA Danny C. Veteran
Danny C. Veteran Joined: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,705 USA	Just a personal humorous (to me anyway) observation here but to me the irony in this conversation overwhelms the subject matter. Example, everyone of us who are trying to show Peter a "better way" i.e., new and improved attractive ad with better copy to sell his products have: #1. Already bought them #2. Love them #3. On a daily basis recommend them to others PS: Tongue planted firmly in cheek. Later, Danny C. www.dannycampo.com https://www.facebook.com/pages/Danny-Campo/379776252109306?skip_nax_wizard=true The More You Drink The Better I Sound

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Hanki #291645 04/15/15 02:35 AM Off-Topic
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Notes Norton Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 6,123 Fort Pierce, Florida, U.S.A.	So I guess the ads worked - point well taken. Bob "Notes" Norton Norton Music https://www.nortonmusic.com 100% MIDI Super-Styles recorded by live, pro, studio musicians for a live groove & Fake Disks for MIDI and/or RealTracks

Re: The oldstyle look of Biab Adds Danny C. #291661 04/15/15 05:50 AM Off-Topic
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JohnJohnJohn Veteran J Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 3,597	Originally Posted By: Danny C. Just a personal humorous (to me anyway) observation here but to me the irony in this conversation overwhelms the subject matter. Example, everyone of us who are trying to show Peter a "better way" i.e., new and improved attractive ad with better copy to sell his products have: #1. Already bought them #2. Love them #3. On a daily basis recommend them to others PS: Tongue planted firmly in cheek. Later, So, I can already play Twinkle Twinkle Little Star and Little Brown Jug on my shiny new saxophone...The Music Lessons Worked! No need to take any more!!!

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