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Hi, Lots of work to get BB to play out what I want to hear. Some of this I cut and pasted in Sonar.There are many things I don't like that could have been changed with many hours of effort. https://soundcloud.com/planobillydfw/re-generation-blues****** Song Summary ************* Title: Re-Generation Blues in C 60 BPM File:Re-Generation Blues in C 60 BPM.SGU Key=C , Tempo 60, Length (m:s)=5:52 No intro. 12 bar chorus, from bar 1 to bar 12. Repeat x7 choruses Melody has 1268 notes, Melody harmony is < no harmony >(0) No Soloist track. Song is saved with Volume, Pan, Reverb, Chorus, Bank0, Style is _TBLZSLR.STY (TexasBluesRock12-8 Rhythm [60RS]) RealTracks in style: 1922:Bass, Electric, TexasBluesRockSlow12-8 Sw 060 RealTracks in song: 1928:Piano, Acoustic, Soloist TexasBluesRockSlow12-8John Sw 060 RealTracks in style: 1924:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasBluesRockSlow12-8Sol Sw 060 RealTracks in style: 1923:Guitar, Electric, Rhythm TexasBluesRockSlow12-8Brent Sw 060 RealTracks in song: 1925:Guitar, Electric, Soloist TexasBluesRockSlow12-8Brent Sw 060 RealTracks in song: ~675:Organ, B3, Background Blues Monday Sw 065 RealDrums in style: BluesRock128^6-a:Snare, HiHat Loose , b:Snare, Ride ******************* Words I’m sitting here on my back porch Singing to the moon, cause BB done told me I can’t play no cover tunes Can’t play no Stormy Monday, Can’t play no Albert King Setting here on the back porch, Thinking what can I sing You got me posted out, There’s nothing I can use Now I got the Re-Generation Blues My door knob keeps on turning Police must be at my door, They gona lock me up If I do this any more I ain’t got no lead in my pencil My fountain pen is running dry Can’t write nothing original No matter how hard I try You got me posted out, There’s nothing I can use Now I got the Re-Generation Blues They got trade marks on every color Done copyrighted every line And if you ask to use it They will surely decline They got lawyers guns and money And many G men too So if you want to stay out of trouble You better watch just what you do You got me posted out, There’s nothing I can use Just why I got the Re-Generation Blues My opinion is neither copyrighted nor trademarked, and it's price competitive. If you like, I'll trade for one of yours...lol Billy
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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That was a fun listen. Pretty clever, and nicely done.
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That was fun, Billy. Clever.
I know that Band! HA!
Your piano guy is a little trill-happy...
Keep 'em coming...
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Haha, great words and the band sounds almost live and with a few beers inside, perfect for blues!
that got my foot tapping, I love playing and listening to the blues
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Hi Billy,
what fun lyrics! And well performed.
I enjoyed this a lot.
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That was fun, Billy. Clever.
I know that Band! HA!
Your piano guy is a little trill-happy...
Keep 'em coming...
floyd Hi Floyd, Yep, the piano guy or girl, was more than a little trill happy...lol and was not paying any attention to Mr. Mason's guitar solo..lol And, herein one discovers the real issue with BB. All the artist are playing with "the band down the street" and are not listening to each other. From a timing prospective there are in general only three places a note could be placed; behind the beat, on the beat, or ahead of the beat. Within the limits of what I know how to change electronically, I have no control over Real Drums for example, I could move or replace every note in the bass line or piano line using software like Melodyne and others. In something simple like this there are four or five hundred measures or more to adjust. That kinda looks like too much work for too little gain. Band In A Box is a wonderful product to develop ideas quickly, plus several other things that it does very well. One quickly reaches the limit of re-generation and then is forced to go to other ways of making changes. Cheers, Billy
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Thanks to all of you, David, Alyn, and Guenter for your kind comments.
People showing up and saying stuff is what makes this site very cool.
Thanks again.
Cheers,
Billy
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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And, herein one discovers the real issue with BB. All the artist are playing with "the band down the street" and are not listening to each other. This simplest thing to do, once you've got the tracks in your DAW, is to adjust the tracks so there's only one instrument playing lead at a time. To help with that, I'll generally try to have three tracks each for the guitar and piano: - Fills
- Simple playing
- Held chords
That way, I can bring in an alternate track if I don't want the instrument to drop out entirely, but want it to play more simply so it's out of the way. What's often most effective is to drop out the other instrument entirely at that point, but it's nice to have options.
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Hi David, Really good ideas you have there. I want to give the "three track thing" a try. Also in the mean time I fired the vocalist, the piano player, and poor Brent...lol Just played a little "no cliche guitar licks allowed"...lol https://soundcloud.com/planobillydfw/de-generation-bluesa-short-clipBilly
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Hi Billy, That sounds like a lot of work. But well, overall this sounds like a band performing late at night in a smoky bar. And we do like the piano soloist  Rob and Anne-Marie
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"I’m sitting here on my back porch
Singing to the moon, cause BB done told me
I can’t play no cover tunes
Can’t play no Stormy Monday, Can’t play no Albert King
Setting here on the back porch, Thinking what can I sing
You got me posted out, There’s nothing I can use
Now I got the Re-Generation Blues'
HAHAHA
Very cool production. And, yes, we are blues fans big time.
FWIW, we regen many RT's just to find the "right" few notes
to paste in for a fill or transition. Our arrangements are sparse
and this approach seems to work along with a lot of volume
shaping.
Regarding your comments about the drums and FWIW...each
drum sound is available at the end of the the wav file for each RD.
They are in the respective folders. Forcing rolls and doubling up some of
the drum kit components gives you some control over them.
Thanks to fj and Tom for helping me with this!
Again, cool song and a clever write. We like it and look forward
to more listens via our SC fav playlist!
J&B
Our albums and singles are on Spotify, Apple Music, Amazon Music, YouTube Music, Pandora and more. If interested search on Janice Merritt. Thanks! Our Videos are here on our website.
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Nice tune and for me, the amount of work you have invested so far has been worth it to my ears.
Enjoyed this one.
Charlie
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Thanks to everyone for putting up with the learning curve I am going through with BB.
Rob and Anne-Marie, I guess I have spent my share of late nights in smoky bars…lol…thanks for listening
Charlie, Thank you for commenting, you are a really nice guy who always has something good to say.
Janice & Bud, Thank you guys for the helpful instructions about Real Drums, I just have not learned enough to deal with the drum issue yet, perhaps soon I hope. It is evident in you songs that you guys have developed significant skills both as musicians and users of BB software. Janice, your vocals remind me why I love music.
Band In A Box has been part of a transition from the live world of music to the internet world of music. Putting all the software issues aside, just learning how to communicate and collaborate on line has been daunting. There are no visual cues, no body language, no engineer to lean on, plus the fact that many of my new on line friends speak many other languages, most of which I don’t speak very well, including standard notation…lol
To make matters worse, I have never been “the poster boy for political correctness” I googled it once and became even more confused…lol
This is some of the thinking process I went through trying to get BB to play out something I was looking for.
This was a very standard 12 bar blues progression.
|C|F|C9 Db9|C7|F9|F9|C|C7|G9|F7|C F9|C G7|
The style said Style is _TBLZSLR.STY (TexasBluesRock12-8 Rhythm [60RS]) but the drum line was in 4/4…I assume I could have found a 12/8 drum line somewhere…don’t know
The chords could be almost written but not exactly. To put in what I wanted would require BB to recognize chords in at least eight notes which I understand is something many have been asking for.
The B-3 distortion bugged me enough I did a frequency sweep, found the offending frequency range and pulled it out with EQ, and yes that reduced the dynamic range so it was a tradeoff.
I could have changed the piano line to most anything in Melodyne and a zillion piano riffs exist in BB in any event.
The Brent Mason solo had some T-Bone Walker signature licks, but well….too much rock and not enough blues, changing that would have required jumping through some real hoops…lol
The rhythm guitar parts were actually not too far off what I would have asked of a studio musician.
The vocalist needed to be twenty years younger, classically trained, and quit smoking fifty years ago…lol
All in all, the experiment was a little over my head for the current level of understanding I have of the software, but being a sailor, I never had much fear of jumping into the “deep in of the pool” lollol
Cheers,
Billy
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“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
“Well…” Saint Peter, hesitated, “God’s got this girlfriend who thinks she can sing…”
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Hello Billy,
great blues. You're the real guitar king.
I enjoyed the listen.
Hello.
Sergio.
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It's all been said so all that I can add is this is a keeper!
I got banned from Weight Watchers for dropping a bag of M&Ms on the floor.
It was the best game of Hungry Hippos I've ever seen!
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Billy, I bet you sang what many of us have thought sometimes. I love cover songs because they give something to compare against and ... I don't have much original material.  I admire your full speed ahead and modest attitude. You're very talented and have a good ear and both are apparent in this tune. Dan, excellent workflow suggestion I've not seen before. Perhaps you should repost in the Tips and Tricks section.
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Hi Jim,
Thank you for your kind words.
As for covers, every artist should be able to have control over their property.
On the other hand, it would be nice if there was some cost effective way for them to get compensated if I play a cover on the internet. I can go play a cover in a club tonight because the club owner paid a fee so I could do that.
In a lot of ways, the internet has become the "new club".
The answer to all this had to reasonable in terms of money.
Would I pay a dollar to be able to play a cover on some internet site? Yes. Would I pay ten dollars....no
There are huge amounts of money involved in the outcome to all these questions about the internet and copyright issues.
I don't think it will get sorted out anytime soon.
Cheers,
Billy
BTW, I am trying out Dan's ideas ATM.
“Amazing! I’ll be working with Jaco Pastorius, Charlie Parker, Art Tatum, and Buddy Rich, and you’re telling me it’s not that great of a gig?
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Nice Blues tune Billy. Fun lyrics too. Very well put together.
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Billy,
Very entertaining... Your vocal is very good, but I thought it could be just a touch more upfront at times.
Great job!
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I'm glad I stopped in for a listen. Fun lyrics!
I haven't reach my limit in discovering what I can do with BIAB yet and the ride has been thrilling!
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We've been hard at it to bring you the latest and greatest in this 9th installment of our popular XPro Styles PAK series! Included are 75 styles spanning the rock & pop, jazz, and country genres (25 styles each) that fans have come to expect, as well as 25 styles in this volume's wildcard genre: funk & R&B!
If you're itching to get a sneak peek at what's included in XPro Styles PAK 9, here is a small helping of what you can look forward to: Funky R&B Horns, Upbeat Celtic Rock, Jazz Fusion Salsa, Gentle Indie Folk, Cool '60s Soul, Funky '70s R&B, Smooth Jazz Hip Hop, Acoustic Rockabilly Swing, Funky Reggae Dub, Dreamy Retro Latin Jazz, Retro Soul-Rock Fusion, and much more!
Special Pricing! Until July 31, 2024, all the XPro Styles PAKs 1 - 9 are on sale for only $29 ea (Reg. $49 ea), or get them all in the XPro Styles PAK Bundle for only $149 (reg. $299)! Order now!
Learn more and listen to demos of XPro Styles PAKs.
Video: XPro Styles PAK 9 Overview & Styles Demos: Watch now!
XPro Styles PAKs require Band-in-a-Box® 2025 or higher and are compatible with ANY package, including the Pro, MegaPAK, UltraPAK, UltraPAK+, and Audiophile Edition.
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: VST3 Plugin Support
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac® now includes support for VST3 plugins, alongside VST and AU. Use them with MIDI or audio tracks for even more creative possibilities in your music production.
Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Macs®: VST3 Plugin Support
Video: Band-in-a-Box® 2025 for Mac®: Using VST3 Plugins
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