After resolving my problem regarding midi dropbox for a single track, I wanted to also save the whole song as midi.. But when I did, only the drum was saved. It was kind of good also since I could not use the drop box for that, because it did not have this green line under it... Why not, btw? Since there obviously IS midi there anyway...
So, do this means I can only save real tracks with midi charts to the dropbox, and not as a whole song midi file? So I have to open those single tracks in another software to get it as a whole song ?
I tried Real Band, but as usual, run into a lot of trouble doing it. That's why I almost never open real band.. When I open one of the midi files, it works, but when I try to add another one, the last one erase the first one. So I tried to drag and drop it, 5 single tracks, but RB did not liked that so decided to crash, twice ! So how do I solve this?
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After resolving my problem regarding midi dropbox for a single track, I wanted to also save the whole song as midi.. But when I did, only the drum was saved.
Trygve,
This is normal behaviour. It's how BIAB has always behaved unless you activate the option to save Realtrack charts in a midi file.
This option is found under "Preferences | Realtracks". See the image below.
Ah, thank's again Noel ! It's a bit strange we have to do it, because what does it matter if this check box is checked by default anyway?
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Ah, thank's again Noel ! It's a bit strange we have to do it, because what does it matter if this check box is checked by default anyway?
I'm not sure why it's like that. I suspect that by having it so that people have to make a choice would help avoid confusion. My experience is that many new users are confused about midi and audio and a number of people think that saving Realtracks as midi is the way that Realtracks work when, in actual fact, they need to be rendered to audio.
By having the option off, if someone tries to save a Realtrack backing as midi (which often happens on here), they will only get the drums. This then causes them to find out why and to learn about rendering.
Given my experience on here, I think having it off is probably the better default option.
So I tried to drag and drop it, 5 single tracks, but RB did not liked that so decided to crash, twice ! So how do I solve this?
Leo, When it crashed, did it provide you with any error message that you could send to the developers?
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When I open one of the midi files, it works, but when I try to add another one, the last one erase the first one.
How did you add another one? What steps exactly did you use?
Thank's VT for trying to help me out, but it seems like it crashed so hard that I cannot start RB anymore.. It starts, but just this blue circle spinning and spinning and never stop. So cant replicate what exactly kind of error message was coming up. But it was this kind of boxes ask me if I would like to send an error report a.s.o.
Is there a way to uninstall and re-install BB without going trough BiaB ? Then I will try again...
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Ah, thank's again Noel ! It's a bit strange we have to do it, because what does it matter if this check box is checked by default anyway?
I'm not sure why it's like that. I suspect that by having it so that people have to make a choice would help avoid confusion. My experience is that many new users are confused about midi and audio and a number of people think that saving Realtracks as midi is the way that Realtracks work when, in actual fact, they need to be rendered to audio.
By having the option off, if someone tries to save a Realtrack backing as midi (which often happens on here), they will only get the drums. This then causes them to find out why and to learn about rendering.
Given my experience on here, I think having it off is probably the better default option.
Well, that's one way to look at it.. I look at it a little different; If someone tried to save it as midi, and it was successful, then no need to ponder about it and go to the forum to figure it out... Then next time they would perhaps wanted to render it as audio, they would probably have no problem at all also...;)
Just my two cent..
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No, you're missing a big point. The Real Tracks midi is for notation only. When you check the box to save as a midi file, it's not a regular midi file. You try to play it and you won't hear anything. The reason is a real human had to physically transcribe the RT by listening to it just like we all used to do with records 40 years ago to figure out a part by ear. The person doing the transcribing is then manually entering the notes as notation the old fashioned way, one note at a time. The part was never actually played by a musician using a midi controller to create a midi file. There is no volume, no velocity, no controllers for reverb, vibrato, expressive slides, bends, nothing. Just the notes.
Notes alone won't play as a midi file unless you go into the file and add all that other stuff. Yes, you can add volume and expression envelopes but doing it after the fact produces a pretty fake sounding track. To me that's way too much work to keep tweaking it until it sounds decent but hey, maybe you enjoy that sort of thing. There are folks here who do it.
The Real Charts are simply an answer to many requests asking can we see an RT written out as music notation?
Well, at least it plays when I export it as a midi file.. I often drop it to the dropbox and import it to the melody/solo tracks to let it play together with the soloist, but on another instrument... Sound cool enough to me, even without all the expression u mention here...
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Any way to prevent the styles list from showing any real tracks? Trying to export song with all instruments as midi files and all I get is drums, I did somehow manage to get drums and bass to midi but nothing else, driving me up the wall for about 2 weeks now.. I never had this problem with older versions.. I do lots of very detailed tweaks.. Thanks! /Chris
So I found a way to disable real tracks in the preferences but now im missing several instruments for different styles, think IM going to call it a night before I do something I will regret.. LoL I should go back to the old old old version about 5 years ago, I could export everything midi! Even "real tracks"! Well at least I dont recall ever having problems before..
Wow! Didnt expect a response thanks so much! Checked the box and Im now my drums are yellow, Im stuck cant get other instruments to export as midi.. I will check this out some more hopefully Friday I have some time.. Thank you I really appreciate that screen pic and the check box makes sense, maybe after a reboot..
If the other instruments' names are in green text then they are Realtracks and may or may not export as midi.
If the text has a line beneath it, that means that there is a notation midi file associated with that Realtrack. To do this, though, you need to activate BIAB to save Realcharts in midi files.
Scroll up to my first post in this thread and you will see the solution you seek.
How good these files will be as midi will depend on the track. The reason for this is that Realtracks are audio files. Any accompanying midi files are transcriptions of the audio, not replications (since midi and audio are two completely different systems... like oranges and eggs).
Bob explained transcriptions (I did some of them) but there are some RealTracks where the notes are from the actual performance. Keyboards are like that. There may be others, where a MIDI controller or converter was used at the time of the recording. But again, no expression etc.
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When you export MIDI, there is a selection (click the Options button on the MIDI Save screen) to "Save RealCharts in MIDI Files". If that box isn't checked, then you won't get anything from RealTracks. If it is, and there is a RealChart associated with the RealTrack, it will export as MIDI.
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Bob explained transcriptions (I did some of them) but there are some RealTracks where the notes are from the actual performance. Keyboards are like that. There may be others, where a MIDI controller or converter was used at the time of the recording. But again, no expression etc.
Wow, so now there are some RT midis that were done on a midi controller? That really adds to the confusion now but it's cool though. If a controller was used why wouldn't there be expression it should be a full midi file wouldn't it? Is there any way to tell which one of the RT midis are like that?
When you export MIDI, there is a selection (click the Options button on the MIDI Save screen) to "Save RealCharts in MIDI Files". If that box isn't checked, then you won't get anything from RealTracks. If it is, and there is a RealChart associated with the RealTrack, it will export as MIDI.
Thanks, John. That's my BIAB lesson for today. I wasn't aware of that option under MIDI save options. I only knew of the one that I mentioned early in this thread under "Preferences | Realtracks" (that one is the global setting and can be set if one wants it on/off permanently).
One thing I noticed when I activated the "Save Realcharts" option, and tested it, was that it took around a minute or so to save the file because BIAB fully generated the song. This makes sense since the song needs to be generated to obtain the Realcharts.
Me Oh My I feel left behind.. LoL.. I have done everything and all I get is a drum and bass midi track, I still have two guitars and an organ that will play in biab but will not export as midi no matter what way I try... I do know BIAB was created for creativity and ideas but if you cant get those ideas out of BIAB then they are being held hostage defeating the founding purpose of BIAB!
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