Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread
Print Thread
Go To
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
I prefer using the staff view to analyze and adjust playback in BiaB. What I've been playing around with lately is the Melodist to generate melodies to some of the chord progressions I've written, and occasionally there is some pretty good stuff that it generates. As an example, I have loaded a George Benson style and in this style the melody is closer to being a chord solo. But when I click on the Note symbol to pull up a notation screen, only the melody line is displayed -- none of the other chord elements. I've looked around in the menu selections but I can't find anything to modify this.

So what I did was export this tune with the generated melody to MIDI, and when I did this, it exported the melody as chord solo. So at least I have access now to all the notes that were generated. I can then import the MIDI file into Cakewalk Sonar or Presonus Notion, where I can adjust things. But this is an additional step I'd just as soon avoid if at all possible. It is also not without its own set of problems. For instance, for some reason the drum track (Channel 10) isn't picked up at all in Notion, which of the two software packages, is the one I prefer for editing musical notation. And yes, I have gone into the MIDI setup in Notion to make sure that Channel 10 is configured for drums. There's probably something I've overlooked, but I haven't found the secret yet.

I have some old BiaB tunes I've picked up here and there over the years, and many of them display the full musical output when I click on the Note symbol. I think most of these files were imported into BiaB as MIDO 0 files because when I click on the Note symbol, it displays everything, which can get confusing real fast. But anyway, I know it is at least possible to display more than a single line of melody.

So, is this possible in BiaB and, if so, what have I overlooked?

Last edited by cooltouch; 09/08/17 08:13 AM.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
P
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
P
Joined: Feb 2015
Posts: 7,954
If you are able to use RealBand it will be a lot easier to see what you are doing with it all on separate tracks.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Just a guess (away from BIAB) but how about the green SEQ button?


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,997
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Oct 2008
Posts: 18,997
Michael,

The harmony you are hearing that produces the chord solo is obtained by BIAB's "Harmony Maker".

To see which harmony routine is being used, it's necessary to enter into the "Edit" dialogue for Melodist Maker (#2, on IMAGE 1 below).

When I did the above, it showed me that "108 George Benson" harmony was being used. (As an aside, if you want to disable this harmony, this is the place to do it. Simply select "0 <no harmony>" as the option.)

If you want to write this harmony to the Melody track, under the "Harmony" menu select "Convert Harmony to Melody Track" (see IMAGE 2 below).

Regards,
Noel

Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in)
melodist - george benson 1.JPG (82.93 KB, 128 downloads)
IMAGE 1... George Benson harmony (108) in "Melodist Maker | Edit"
melodist - george benson 2.JPG (30.05 KB, 128 downloads)
IMAGE 2... convert harmony to BIAB track (Melody or Soloist)

MY SONGS...
Audiophile BIAB 2024
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Thanks for the feedback, guys. Noel, your directions worked. I also found that if I open the Leadsheet window, click on the Opt. button, and uncheck "split harmonies to different tracks" this gives me the full notation readout in the Leadsheet window. Which I prefer for just sight-reading.

But this raises another question, and I'm not able to find a solution to this one. I'm thinking it might not exist in BiaB. If you're a guitarist and you read music, then you know that the notes that we sound are actually an octave below the notation as written. In other words, using middle C on the keyboard as an example, a guitarist would play that note an octave below where a keyboardist would. Most full-featured notation based software packages have the capability of displaying the music at a different pitch, while not affecting the pitch of the sound being generated.

This "one octave below" condition, peculiar to guitar (and perhaps other instruments?), is expressed by showing an "8" attached to the base of the treble clef.

If it isn't possible to do this in BiaB, then I'm back to exporting it to Notion, where I can just print out the part.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Yes, you can shift that in BIAB MIDI tracks.

A few other instruments are octave transposing, such as tenor sax that sound an octave below written (and a ninth below a note in concert key). Acoustic and electric bass is also written an octave above where it sounds.

Go to Options, Preferences, Channels. Find the row for the instrument playing your guitar part and move to the 2nd column in that row. You'll see a zero. Change it to a minus one. Note that the bass track does this by default.

Then you may want to go to the Melody (or Soloist) menu, do Edit, Transpose, Transpose UP an octave. Depends on where you prefer to read it. My guitarist can read either way but I normally write parts up an octave from where I want it to sound.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Hey Matt, thanks for your response. Sorry it's taken so long to get back with you. I checked in here a couple days ago, but somehow I missed your reply.

OK, I did as you suggested. The first step -- Options/Preferences/Channels lowers the melody an octave -- which might be fine in some cases, given that this will usually bring the notation into the same octave as performance. But with one specific tune I'm working on, it's kept the chord portion of the track -- as originally written -- below the range of the guitar. So I tried your step two: Melody/Edit/Transpose/Transpose UP. Well, that took care of that. Back to the original octave as sounded but the music was now transposed up an octave.

So I can't find fault with any of that. But doing this uncovered an interesting glitch, and once again, it's a glitch to which I cannot find an easy solution. There are portions of the melody now that mix octaves as written, not as played. That is, Cs and Ds and Es etc. may be scored, but are no longer scored in the octave being played. Typically they're scored an octave below. And there are other portions of the score in which the wrong notes are written. High Ds instead of high Bs, Cs instead of Es, etc. These incidences appear to be almost random in occurrence -- I write "almost" because whenever the melody fragment recurs it is always displayed the same. I checked with the transpose functions to see if there was any sort of limiters being set on the range of transcription to be made, but I could find none.

So once again BiaB has thrown me a curve that I don't know how to handle.

Oh, and when I first did all this transposition bit, instead of just leaving the instrument alone, it reset it from jazz guitar to marimba. Marimba! ??? Easy enough to change back, but still . . .

Ya know, BiaB may run glitch-free on your machines, but it never has on mine.

Last edited by cooltouch; 09/17/17 11:18 AM.
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Hmmm. I'm not at a BIAB PC now, but I wonder if you are running into the "lowest note" limitation while jumping octaves. In Options, Preferences, Arrange there are I think two checkboxes and choices having to do with the lowest guitar note. Try removing the limits, so to speak.


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
I'm not at my DAW at the moment either, but I'll check once I'm there. So I'm thinking that if there's a "lowest note," there's probably a highest note?" Because that's what I find more disturbing. The melody flows along fine to my ear, but then as I watch the music, I see it jumping octaves, but this is always occurring in upper registers and it typically jumps to a lower octave.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
Veteran
Offline
Veteran
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 25,971
No, I don't believe there is a 'highest note' setting in BIAB (but there certainly is a lowest one for guitar).


BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors
Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Interesting. So it would seem I've found another glitch. Or bug.

Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
Journeyman
OP Offline
Journeyman
Joined: Dec 2011
Posts: 457
I found it. It isn't a bug after all. If you go to Options/Preferences/Notation, there's a setting for max ledger lines. It defaults to two -- which wasn't enough with the music I was reading through. I set it to four and now my high notes are reading out the way they should. What's curious is this "control" had no effect on ledger lines below the staff. They would plunge as far down as they needed. Oh well, I'm glad I found this little control.

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Go To

Link Copied to Clipboard
ChatPG

Ask sales and support questions about Band-in-a-Box using natural language.

ChatPG's knowledge base includes the full Band-in-a-Box User Manual and sales information from the website.

PG Music News
User Video: Band-in-a-Box® + ChatGPT = Impressed the BOSS!

Since AI is now readily available online as a resource for many things, we recently put together and shared a video where we demonstrated how to create a song using Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V; we've also shared a Bob Doyle Media video, Convert MIDI Chords into AI Vocal Harmonies with ACE Studio and Band in A Box, showing how they utilize AI for their song projects. Now it's time to share Henry's video, Band-in-a-Box + ChatGPT = Impressed the BOSS!, where he demonstrates how to use ChatGPT and Band-in-a-Box to whip a song project together in only 3-4 hours.

Watch the video.

Visit Henry Clarke's YouTube Channel, Henry Clarke - Senior Musicians Unite, to find a large collection of tutorials showing the viewer how to achieve amazing results using Band-in-a-Box®!

Band-in-a-Box User Video Tutorials!

If you've reviewed our Support page, you've probably noticed the Videos page, which separates our Band-in-a-Box® tutorial videos by category: Overview, VST DAW Plugin, Setup, Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced, and there's even an Archive category to go down memory lane... (You'll also find these videos on our YouTube Channel.)

It's always great to hear how other Band-in-a-Box® users create their songs, especially when they explain in detail what they're doing. Like Henry Clarke's YouTube Channel, Henry Clarke - Senior Musicians Unite! There you'll find his ALL Band-in-a-Box Tutorials playlist with over 50 videos! His top-three most watched videos include "How to Get Started with Band-in-a-Box," "How I use the Audio Chord Wizard in Band-in-a-Box," and "How to Create An Effective Solo Using Band-in-a-Box" - however he touches on many other topics and also demonstrates his own Band-in-a-Box® songs in the Band-in-a-Box Created Songs playlist!

You're guaranteed to find some helpful videos when you visit Henry Clarke's channel!

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 Italian for Windows is Here!

Ci siamo dati da fare e abbiamo aggiunto oltre 50 nuove funzionalità e una straordinaria raccolta di nuovi contenuti, tra cui 222 RealTracks, nuovi RealStyles, MIDI SuperTracks, Instrumental Studies, "Songs with Vocals" Artist Performance Sets, Playable RealTracks Set 3, Playable RealDrums Set 2, due nuovi set di "RealDrums Stems", XPro Styles PAK 6, Xtra Styles PAK 17 e altro ancora!

Tutti Pacchetti | Nuove Caratteristiche

Band-in-a-Box® 2024 French for Windows is Here!


Band-in-a-Box® 2024 apporte plus de 50 fonctions nouvelles ainsi qu'une importante de contenus nouveaux à savoir : 222 RealTracks, des RealStyles nouveaux, des SuperTracks MIDI, des Etudes d'Instruments, des Prestations d'Artistes, des "Morceaux avec Choeurs", un Set 3 de Tracks Jouables, un Set 2 de RealDrums Jouables, deux nouveaux Sets de "RealDrums Stems", des Styles XPro PAK 6, des Xtra Styles PAK 17 et bien plus encore!

Tous Packages | Nouvelles Fonctionnalités

Video: Making a Song with Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V

Take your Band-in-a-Box® project to a whole new level when you incorporate ChatGPT and Synth V to add lyrics and vocals to your song!

We wanted to demonstrate how this is done with our video, where we show you how to go from nothing to a finished "radio ready" modern pop song by combining the features of Band-in-a-Box®, ChatGPT, and Synth V!

Listen to the finished song, so you get a listen to the finished product: https://demos.pgmusic.com/misc/behindthefame.m4a

If you like it, watch the video. Either way, let's hear your comments!

Henry Clarke: Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function

One of the new features added with Band-in-Box® 2024 is the Tracks Window, which will look familiar if you've worked with other DAWs.

Henry Clarke explains why he loves the Re-generation function within the Tracks Window in their video Revolutionize Your Band-in-Box® Tracks with Regenerating Function.

Watch video.

Learn even more about what the Tracks Window can do with our video Band-in-a-Box® 2024: The Tracks Window.

User Video: Convert MIDI Chords into AI Vocal Harmonies with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box®

The Bob Doyle Media YouTube channel is known for demonstrating how you can creatively incorporate AI into your projects - from your song projects to avatar building to face swapping, and more!

His latest video, Convert MIDI Chords into AI Vocal Harmonies with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box, he explains in detail how you can use the Melodist feature in Band-in-a-Box with ACE Studio. Follow along as he goes from "nothing" to "something" with his Band-in-a-Box MIDI Melodist track, using ACE Studio to turn it into a vocal track (or tracks, you'll see) by adding lyrics for those notes that will trigger some amazing AI vocals!

Watch: Next-Level AI Music Editing with ACE Studio and Band-in-a-Box


Forum Statistics
Forums65
Topics81,910
Posts739,655
Members38,646
Most Online2,537
Jan 19th, 2020
Newest Members
JazzMan01, kssyblls01, maxtern, 1Oleg1, Delta 8 Austin
38,645 Registered Users
Top Posters(30 Days)
MarioD 154
musocity 103
DC Ron 97
rsdean 93
dcuny 80
Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5