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No WAS for XP Users? #444258 12/11/17 07:40 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,246 WEST MIDLANDS, UK sixchannel OP Veteran
OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,246 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	I have installed my new 2018 on the usual XP drive without any drama. However, my first test shows that the newly feted WAS driver to be used in preference to MME and ASIO, IS NOT available when running BB in XP. It does not appear in the drop down menu at any rate. Update 505 installed. NOTE - it IS there if running the BB in Windows 7. Could other XP Users please check and advise. Cheers Ian Last edited by sixchannel; 12/11/17 08:16 AM. Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444263 12/11/17 08:08 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,575 Melbourne, Australia AudioTrack Veteran
AudioTrack Veteran Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 18,575 Melbourne, Australia	My understanding is that WASAPI is available for Window 7, 10 and Windows Vista, but I didn't think for XP. Somebody else will be able to confirm more accurately. BIAB & RB2024 Win.(Audiophile), Sonar Platinum, Cakewalk by Bandlab, Izotope Prod.Bundle, Roland RD-1000, Synthogy Ivory, Kontakt, Focusrite 18i20, KetronSD2, NS40M Monitors, Pioneer Active Monitors, AKG K271 Studio H'phones

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444273 12/11/17 08:37 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,584 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,584 Pensacola, Florida	And I suspect it won't be, as Windows XP is a non-supported operating system now. Microsoft doesn't release new capabilities for end-of-life OS's. Windows 7's time is coming in 2020. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: No WAS for XP Users? jford #444280 12/11/17 08:51 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,246 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Originally Posted By: jford Windows 7's time is coming in 2020. Oh Noooooooooo! Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444282 12/11/17 08:53 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP sixchannel Veteran Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,246 WEST MIDLANDS, UK	Thank you. I wondered if that was the case. I wonder what Windows version we'll be forced in to buying then. Ian Old Guys Rule.The older I get,the better I was! BB2023 ULTRA, 1013, Win 7 and 10 ALL TRACKS - https://app.box.com/s/501rnzrbadng1elvi45hbf7y08kl5oxp SOUNDCLOUD-tracks using BB- http://soundcloud.com/sixchannel Videos- https://youtube.com/user/Sixchannel1

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444289 12/11/17 09:14 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,475 New Mexico Larry Kehl Veteran
Larry Kehl Veteran Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,475 New Mexico	be careful if you buy a new COTS (commercial off the shelf) it will probably (~95%) come with Win 10 you'd have to look to find a new machine with Win 7 pre-installed and it will not have a new generation Kaby Lake Intel processor If you build your OWN PC and the motherboard only supports with a Kaby Lake Processor according to MS Win 7 will not install. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaby_Lake (list of Intel Kaby Lake processors) so you will be forced into Win 10 http://www.zdnet.com/article/you-have-one-month-left-to-buy-a-windows-7-pc/ I will suggest when going to WIN 10 spend the few extra bucks and upgrade or get Win 10 Pro NOT HOME! - you WILL and CAN have a lot more control over forced updates. Larry Last edited by Larry Kehl; 12/11/17 09:14 AM. Win10Pro,i9,64GB,2TBSSD+20TBHDDs,1080TI,BIAB'24,Scarlett18i8,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,Integra7,XV5080,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL21&others,Komp.14,IK suite&others, just a guitar player-AXE FX III &FM9T, FishmanTP, MIDIGuitar2, GK2/3'sw/GI20

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444318 12/11/17 10:31 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,155 Winston-Salem, NC USA Jim Fogle Veteran
Jim Fogle Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 10,155 Winston-Salem, NC USA	XP does not support the WAS (WASAPI) audio driver. Jim Fogle - 2024 BiaB (1111) RB (5) Ultra+ PAK DAWs: Cakewalk by BandLab (CbB) - Standalone: Zoom MRS-8 Laptop: i3 Win 10, 8GB ram 500GB HDD Desktop: i7 Win 11, 12GB ram 256GB SSD, 4 TB HDD Music at: https://fogle622.wix.com/fogle622-audio-home

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444320 12/11/17 10:38 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,330 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,330 Cooran Queensland Australia	This is the key issue for me. I run my DAW and all music soft/hardware in a very safe, stable & offline XP unit. XP is a perfect OS/environment for music recording/making. I don't want to lose trusted VSTs/plugins with a move to the still murky, less boyant waters of Vista, 7 or 10. Looks like I'll be staying in the past. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444332 12/11/17 11:19 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,584 Pensacola, Florida jford Veteran
jford Veteran Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 12,584 Pensacola, Florida	Quote: This is the key issue for me. I run my DAW and all music soft/hardware in a very safe, stable & offline XP unit. XP is a perfect OS/environment for music recording/making. I don't want to lose trusted VSTs/plugins with a move to the still murky, less boyant waters of Vista, 7 or 10. Looks like I'll be staying in the past. You don't have to use the WASAPI driver. You can still use MME and ASIO and BIAB 2018 will run just fine on your XP workstation. And this isn't a PGMusic issue; it's a Microsoft issue. John Laptop-HP Omen I7 Win11Pro 32GB 2x2TB, 1x4TB SSD Desktop-ASUS-I7 Win10Pro 32GB 2x1.5TB, 2x2TB, 1x4TB SATA BB2024/UMC404HD/Casios/Cakewalk/Reaper/Studio One/MixBus/Notion/Finale/Dorico/Noteworthy/NI/Halion/IK http://www.sus4chord.com

Re: No WAS for XP Users? rayc #444333 12/11/17 11:20 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK Mike Head Expert
Mike Head Expert Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,114 Cornwall UK	hi Ray Originally Posted By: rayc This is the key issue for me. I run my DAW and all music soft/hardware in a very safe, stable & offline XP unit. XP is a perfect OS/environment for music recording/making. I don't want to lose trusted VSTs/plugins with a move to the still murky, less boyant waters of Vista, 7 or 10. Looks like I'll be staying in the past. Yes sir indeed I have managed to get most of my pre owned music software running in Windows 7 (any that I still need anyway.) But the thought of risking W10 is out of the question . I had to go to all sorts of lengths to stop them pushing me into that one , even so they downloaded gb of data to my pc , that I had to clear out. I now have a stable build that runs fine . All the time Biab runs on W7 I will continue to upgrade it each year, and still be able to use Sona. (another story) When Microsoft stop support for W7 I will take the machine of the internet. I will still be able to download BIAB upgrades on another machine and transfer to this one as long as PG support W7 users, going on the fact they still support vista and xp I don’t think I have any fear there. Just my thoughts ,I will not be dragged by the nose into anything I don’t want to do By Microsoft Mike BIAB2021 UltraPlus,AsusN55S1Tbssd, W10/64,Akai EIEpro Yamaha CVP405,SquireStrat, CoolsoftVMidSynth Novatation Impulse61 Ctr kbd, Cwalk blab Kontakt http://mikesmusic.byethost16.com/

Re: No WAS for XP Users? jford #444339 12/11/17 11:45 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,475 New Mexico Larry Kehl Veteran
Larry Kehl Veteran Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,475 New Mexico	Originally Posted By: jford Quote: This is the key issue for me. I run my DAW and all music soft/hardware in a very safe, stable & offline XP unit. XP is a perfect OS/environment for music recording/making. I don't want to lose trusted VSTs/plugins with a move to the still murky, less boyant waters of Vista, 7 or 10. Looks like I'll be staying in the past. You don't have to use the WASAPI driver. You can still use MME and ASIO and BIAB 2018 will run just fine on your XP workstation. And this isn't a PGMusic issue; it's a Microsoft issue. To verify what John just said I have already run RUN 2018 on both a WIN XP desktop (one of my triple boot HDDs) and REALLY OLD (2004) Dell XPS 4GB workhorse laptop to make sure BIAB and RB works there- they do! However, in last few years my real work-space has been Win 7 or Win 10 desktops. Win XP is kept due to non-music/non-DAW legacy SW and HW, and the fact that the 'ol 2004 laptop still runs just fine (I've even changed the BIOS battery) Larry Win10Pro,i9,64GB,2TBSSD+20TBHDDs,1080TI,BIAB'24,Scarlett18i8,Montage7,Fusion 8HD,QS8,Integra7,XV5080,QSR,SC-8850,SPLAT,FL21&others,Komp.14,IK suite&others, just a guitar player-AXE FX III &FM9T, FishmanTP, MIDIGuitar2, GK2/3'sw/GI20

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444385 12/11/17 01:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,971 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY Matt Finley Veteran
Matt Finley Veteran Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 25,971 Hudson Valley & Lake George NY	Also agreeing with John and Larry. No one should have said that the WAS(API) driver "was to be used in preference" to ASIO. If you have an ASIO driver that works, and this is highly vendor dependent, it should be preferable to WAS. BIAB 2024 Win Audiophile. Software: Studio One 6.5 Pro, Swam horns, Acoustica-7, Notion 6; Win 11 Home. Hardware: Intel i9, 32 Gb; Roland Integra-7, Presonus Studio 192, Presonus Faderport 8, Royer 121, Adam Sub8 & Neumann 120 monitors

Re: No WAS for XP Users? sixchannel #444437 12/11/17 04:05 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,330 Cooran Queensland Australia rayc Veteran
rayc Veteran Joined: Apr 2016 Posts: 6,330 Cooran Queensland Australia	I've had complete clarification thanks folk. I can run 18 on my XPSP3 so long as the RAM & HDD space meet specs. Thank you one & all. I'll now contemplate the matter. Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe

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