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#451223 01/15/18 01:33 AM
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Hi Folks,there is something that I've been puzzled by. I have a collection of some old midi songs which I use in the days I had a Roland Brush Midi Player SD35 . Lately I have been trying to load some into BIAB2018, do a little editing/adjusting (in Events list)then saving the song. Then creating an MP3. The MP3 goes onto a Samgsung Tablet then to my mixer as a back-track to jam with and sing-along.
I noticed as an MP3 some songs are losing a few notes right at the begining. When I play the song in BIAB it's fine and I hear all the notes, but they are missing as an MP3.
I also notice when I look at the "Events List" in BIAB some of the events are timed in minus values and do not start at Bar 1 but before Bar 1. Could this be causing the problem, what can I do? Kind Regards. Bryan.

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Which notes are missing, low notes?

Also, are the midi files a single instrument (say, piano) or multiple instruments such as piano, strings, basss, guitar?


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It’s not the MP3; that’s audio and could not be failing to play some notes. The problem is whatever is producing the notes that are recorded into an MP3. Your Roland is one of the few Roland MIDI synths I’ve never used, but they all have a spec for polyphony ( the number of notes that can sound simultaneously). After you add harmony and strings, certain patches can overload the module. Are you hearing all the notes in BIAB when you play the song?


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I have the idea that is the notes which fall into the minus in the events list. Forgive me but I'm not very skilled. I still use an very old version of Cakewalk when I buy a midi file, to edit and customize the file by changing instruments, controls etc . When I load a midi file into this cakewalk all events start at measure 1. When I load the same midi into BIAB some events are -1 measure. I can't get me head around that. When I make an MP3 it seems that the MP3 notes which are in the minus (-1) measure are dropped and the audible notes start only from the notes from measure 1 and on from there. Not sure if its making sense. Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

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Hi
The 2 bars previous to bar one in BIAB are the count in.
The song starts on bar one.
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Hi Bryan,

I'm beginning to see you problem, I think.

The bars -1 and 0 are count-in bars in BIAB. This nomenclature is used so that bar 1 represents the start of the music.

I'm surprised that some parts of your midi are starting in the -1 bar region. Whenever I've loaded midi files into BIAB, they automatically load correctly. The only time I've had notes appear before bar 1 is if they are a few pickup notes.

(Pick up notes are usually two or three melody notes that occur before the first bar. See the upper image below.)

For what it is worth, I encourage you to begin experimenting with Realband to work with midi. It's possible to have the different midi channels of different tracks. In this way, it's more like Cakewalk.

Realband also makes it very easy to see if everything aligns. BIAB is a bit 'clunky' when working with fully fledged midi files.


I've just made a discovery. This might help...

If the "Options | Preferences | Count-in/Met" 'Lead In' is deacativated, then BIAB will not play pickup notes that occur in bar 0.

Have a look at the lower graphic below and make sure that you have the same settings for #4 that I have (i.e. that it's been activated).

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It also depends upon whether you "open" the MIDI file or "import" it to the melody track. If you import it, you have to take the 2-bar lead in into account in the options when you bring it in.


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Thanks Guys for the advice. I will have a go and let you know how it works out. Things used to be so simple when I was a kid. The "old" fellows then had a language of their own I remember when they jammed one would call out a song title and say in "Katvoet" translated it means cat paw. Eventually I worked out the song was in D and it had something to do with the chord shape on the guitar which looked a bit like a cat foot print. Regards. Bryan.

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