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I have never attempted to record any of my live gigs so I have no live recordings.

But I do have a collection of decent recordings of just myself and a guitar that I would like to release. Problem is...they all contain a random glitch or mistake here and there. So, if I were to release them I'd feel obliged to re-record to fix all of those issues. HOWEVER...

If I had a new BIAB RealTrack called Crowds, I'd just mix that track in with my "decent" recordings and release that as a "live" or ""unplugged" set!

I'm imagining it would work like this,

- a collection of each of the following,
a) intro "just been introduced" applause/reaction
b) end of song "big applause"
c) quiet room noise for during the song
d) slightly louder room noise for between songs
e) laughter for jokes between songs
f) end of the night "huge applause"

- part markers would be used to control types of crowd sounds, a through f

- since it is RealTracks there is less chance of me getting duplicate crowd sounds in various sections of the same song

- this has been done for many, many years in situation comedies on TV using laugh tracks

(sorry for the double posting but I felt it needed to also be in the main BIAB wishlist to get attention)

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One more thing I'd add is that each new RealTracks set should be targeted for a particular venue type/size. For example,

- RT-SmallCrowd (House Concert or Coffeehouse)
- RT-MediumCrowd (Club or Concert Hall)
- RT-LargeCrowd (Stadium or Arena)

And each set would include all of the parts I mentioned in the last post.

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Intriguing request. This would be better than loops because you can always tell where the loop cycles (the same laugh etc.).

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There are plenty of sound effects available that might be suitable.

Try a Google search, I just found this:

Applause Sound Effects
There are plenty of other samples at the left.


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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
There are plenty of sound effects available that might be suitable.

Try a Google search, I just found this:

Applause Sound Effects
There are plenty of other samples at the left.

Thanks for that but not what I am looking for! Making the crowd noise for even a single song would be a long and tedious endeavor using those 7 second bits and pieces. In the same way I like having BIAB provide full instrumentation so I don't need to patch together drums, bass, guitars, etc...I would love to have BIAB have crowd noise that could be mostly automatically applied to create a somewhat unique "crowd track" for each song.

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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn

- this has been done for many, many years in situation comedies on TV using laugh tracks

AKA "Terrible" canned laughter. Note the emphasis on 'terrible' cry Those guys just don't know when to stop pushing the button. Every sentence doesn't deserve a laugh frown

But I digress.
Now, back to the program...


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Originally Posted By: VideoTrack
Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn

- this has been done for many, many years in situation comedies on TV using laugh tracks

AKA "Terrible" canned laughter. Note the emphasis on 'terrible' cry Those guys just don't know when to stop pushing the button. Every sentence doesn't deserve a laugh frown

But I digress.
Now, back to the program...

Yes, awful but also...awfully effective! I think BIAB can do a much better job than laugh tracks and a much better job than me piecing together unmatched 7-second clips (and about 1,000 times faster!)

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I like the idea!

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Yeah, that'll be the only way I'll get any applause. blush


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Any chance while we’re at it, to include the noise of the two or three deaf elderly women that insist upon sitting in the front row and discussing their medical complaints or whatever at the top of their voices. ;-)
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Any chance while we’re at it, to include the noise of the two or three deaf old women that insist upon sitting in the front row and discussing their medical complaints or whatever on the top of their voices. ;-)
Tony

That would be actuated with a B or C Part Marker I guess grin


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Originally Posted By: Teunis
Any chance while we’re at it, to include the noise of the two or three deaf elderly women that insist upon sitting in the front row and discussing their medical complaints or whatever at the top of their voices. ;-)
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And for our classical listeners add the 4 guys in the front two rows who cough threw the entire performance.


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And I guess we could include hecklers. Anyone here wanna try out for those parts?

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Yes for sure, I have done that with video recorded at a gig then the Biab tracks synced to the live footage and crowd noise added.

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On a more serious note. Why a RealTrack of applause surely it would not need to be added musically and I can’t see the timing as an issue. Or is it just the FX that could be added to a track. If it is just the effect then why not use an SFZ of applause in Sforzando on a midi track.

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Originally Posted By: Teunis
why not use an SFZ of applause in Sforzando on a midi track

I guess it would be the same reason I prefer RealTrack guitars and pianos instead of SFZ guitars and pianos!

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Originally Posted By: JohnJohnJohn

I guess it would be the same reason I prefer RealTrack guitars and pianos instead of SFZ guitars and pianos!


I use RealTracks because they sound real. It is almost impossible to get the same feel and timing with midi (albeit I add midi occasionally to fill in etc). The guitar strum on a RealTrack is real and hard to replicate. Similarly piano, banjo, mandolin and many other instruments including drums. I am not a good piano or keyboard player so to use these pro tracks are great. Add these abilities to a number of chord changes and timings and believe me I see the need for and use for RealTracks.

I don’t see it the same for applause. For a start what keys do you need the applause in? What tempo should the applause be? Does it matter if someone is clapping or cheering off key or out of time? Would the applause of many hundreds sound realistic if playing to 50 people? I can understand some folk would like to make a recording as if they were playing live but where and when would you add the applause. I really think applause would be easier to control as an effect. If I was to use applause I think it would be added after the song left BB that way I could control it better.

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I was just thinking about the crowd noise, to a have continuous background you could use a UserTrack and set it to Drums so it's not trying to fit to chords or playing fills, this is what you use for a drone with bagpipe UserTracks, so you just want a crowd that will drone on:
EDIT: I don't know how it's gonna go with tempo changing, you would have to have a lot of different tempos ??
It may work better with a midi triggered sample player that just loops an ambient audience noise sample without changing tempo and you can trigger other cheers randomly and trigger applause at the end.
I will think about it more....

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; any characters after a semicolon (;) are comments
Tempo=120
Drums=true ;if true, no transpose. tip: this is automatically set to true if the usertracks folder name contains "Drum"
DrumsButThereAreNoFillsOrPostFillsInThisUserTracks=True ;set to true if the usertracks has no fills or postfills to begin with
ForceSimple=True ;e.g. set to true to force a simple drums usertracks, which will never play the fill bars
ThisIsWaltz=False
Instrument=26 ;Acoustic Guitar
Feel=Even


If I find some time I will make one up and upload it to try.

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