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Making MGU for King Crimson #78548 07/03/10 01:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP FB Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 75 Bréhal France	Hello, I want to do 2 MGU files that I can use with RealBand: those are 2 songs from King Crimson, "In the Court of the Crimson King" and "In the Wake of Poseidon". All my efforts with the chord wizard are not satisfying. Could you tell me what is the most appropriate way to obtain a good result, including realtracks? It's to test some personal compositions to see how it sounds in this style. I have the 2010 version of BIAB and RealTrack with the UltraPlus pack. And I don't find a good realdrums style sounding well. Many thanks for your help. François

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson FB #78549 07/03/10 02:03 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy Sergino Apprentice
Sergino Apprentice Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy	I also miss some progressive track a la ELP or King Crimson! Sergino Bandinabox 2024 standard (2020 Audiophile) VST3 plugins on Studio One Pro 6.1 Windows 11(SSD) - AMD Radeon R9 5950X - 32GB RAM MOTU: 2408 MkIII - 24i - Traveler - MIDI Express XT

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson Sergino #78550 07/03/10 02:13 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP FB Enthusiast Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 75 Bréhal France	Sorry, I think I have to build a style, not a MGU. Maybe someone did it ... where is it possible to find users styles on the web? And after that, I would like to find other progressive music styles (Caravan, Soft Machine ...). Thanks. François

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson FB #78551 07/03/10 02:42 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Fifer Journeyman F Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 707 Fife, Scotland	I would seriously doubt whether you could re-create something like "In the Court of the Crimson King" using BAIB. The original has dozens of separate Mellotron parts which create the effect of a giant orchestral "pad". Orchestral parts have never been BAIB's strongpoint - its focus has been on single part string sections which you find on dozens of pop, jazz and country records and not on full orchestras! The accompaniment lines are generally very syncopated (with parts often starting other than on beat one/bar one) and, again, BAIB tends to be much more 4 to the floor in creating parts. Robert Fripp's guitar parts contain a lot of harmonics and sound like they are played in a variety of tunings - the simple BAIB real tracks could never replicate this. Finally, Michael Giles drum sound is very "1960s" and very old fashioned in today's terms (the sound lacks attack and definition - I think it sounds like he is playing mini tympanis with felt beaters rather than toms) - none of the real styles I can think of come close to this sound. His style of playing has a lot of very gradiose fills which suit the song, but would overpower 99% of other songs I know and there are long sequences where he is mixing snare rolls with fills - not unique, but very unusual and not at all very "BAIB". One other thought is that the song has huge changes in dynamic levels and instumentation - again, BAIB is not maybe the best tool for this sort of approach. I would look forward to "RT 102" - prog rock though! Best wishes Brian

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson Fifer #78552 07/03/10 05:24 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Bandmoose Enthusiast B Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 63 Toronto	Thanks FB for a great question, I also am deeply inspired by the progressive examples you mention, and would love to be able to introduce such creativity into my dramatic songwriting. And thank you Fifer for your excellent explanation of the challenges of using BIAB to achieve it. One related question I have is how good BIAB/RealBand may be for writing songs that swing between different time signatures? So far, my experiments seem to suggest that it works sometimes, really depends on the style. For songwriting, is there a better solution out there than BIAB to allow me to swing into odd time signatures and back? Any tips for doing this in BIAB? Last edited by Bandmoose; 07/03/10 05:25 AM.

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson Bandmoose #78553 07/03/10 09:56 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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Sergino Apprentice Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 193 Italy	You can recreate Mahavisnu Orchestra pieces with Bandinabox, so why not King Crimson? Sergino Bandinabox 2024 standard (2020 Audiophile) VST3 plugins on Studio One Pro 6.1 Windows 11(SSD) - AMD Radeon R9 5950X - 32GB RAM MOTU: 2408 MkIII - 24i - Traveler - MIDI Express XT

Re: Making MGU for King Crimson Bandmoose #78554 07/03/10 09:59 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 21,077 Hamlin NY	Hi FB, Instead of starting from ground zero on these types of songs I would find a midi file that you like and import it into RealBand. I googled “In the Court of the Crimson King” + midi and found these two sites http://www.frakctured.ukf.net/MIDI.htm http://www.myguitarsolo.com/midis.htm Note that there are other sites as well. Once into RB you can tweak the songs until you get it the way you want it. I hope this helps – good luck You know you're getting old when a recliner and a heating pad is your idea of a hot date! 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

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