Originally Posted By: Edward Buckley
Hi all,

I agree that BIAB is great for some things. But when I try to get my students to check it out, to actually use it, most of them laugh. They don't take it seriously, because it still looks like it was written in 1995, and I just bought 2015 (Im not very impressed actually, thinking about returning it, some of the RTs are OK, many of them are lame, and the whole "Loops" concept is not at all important for me)


I have the same going on here, I also have a sound engineer set up my system every now and again, he (not I) regards BIAB as some kind of junk toy (though he was impressed when he heard it and that goes for a lot), when I ask him to look at the issues I am having with it, its like as we say in the UK 'flogging a dead horse' he just is not interested.

If PG wished test this it could bring BIAB to a freshman class of musical students, (set up to make sure PG dont influence by their presence - i.e. blind) sit back and observe there real opinions.

Originally Posted By: Edward Buckley
ASIO issues that I STILL have


Same here, just had to increase the latency on my sound card to 256, Cubase was running at 64. I have to go in and out of these settings for BIAB. Can we loose the MME thing please?

Originally Posted By: Edward Buckley
Notation>It's nice to see the notes, but the notation is still clunky and inaccurate. Why can't we have real Notation features, like Finale or Sibelius? Why is it so hard to edit notes? Why can't we save different sets of Notation (ex>Bass clef only, Treble only, etc) and save it for EACH song so that it works with the Jukebox, you dont need to go into the Leadsheet view and waste time.


I never use it, except perhaps a quick glance at a melody - the pages break up into large rectangles. Becoming a serious Notation writing application is a challenge, I accept. Not a priority here, a notation display system that functioned well would be good a good first base though. Not sure how far one can go with this whilst a song is a mixture of real tracks and MIDI, unless there was some form of melodyne like component - a big challenge really. The Lead sheet view is very useful though.

Originally Posted By: Edward Buckley
5. Its time to start putting packages together that address the tastes of each buyer. Why pay big $$ for RTs/RDs that you never will use, and take up HD space? Have 1 Package for Jazz Users, another for Country, another for Pop, etc. It brings the cost down, and makes it possible to pay for what you would use on the gig. How many of you are going to use "Loops"? Why should I pay for that? If I wanted Abelton Live, I'd get it.


I have always wondered why the Audiophile version costs so much and why its not given free to everyone as an option. Larger wav files don't cost extra.

When it comes to marketing I wonder why there is no trial version to draw in the punters after all just looking at the interface can put some off. Maybe something that could only edit the chords and was supplied with ten representative real tracks.That sort of thing really. It's experiencing the power of real tracks that really sells the product IMO.

A proper VST BIAB instrument would also be very useful - something like PLAY.


Personally, I don't see why BIAB should not have more sequencing features, I never bought the idea of two programs (IMO). RB is never going to be big time. Frankly I never use it, it crashes here, (though I recognise some swear by it). If I wanted to export a track from BIAB it would be to a better sequencer, not RB. With 64 bit could we rejoin these siamese twins into one organism. I acknowledge this is not a unanimous opinion. Honestly I can't say too much about RB because I have never got it to function.

It would be really good to rethink the style and song pickers (why two?) . I have never really understood the rationale behind listing the "Category" section the way it is, it seems cluttered and unnecessary. Say for example I am in the search for Latin I am never really confident that I have found everything, are there other things hidden away in the bonus tracks, or the MIDI supertracks. I realise that the fiter box is actually quite powerful, but its not explicit about how its used, one has to learn a skill to use it, life is too short for this. There are better layouts in other musical software.

The more I consider the issues, the more I think its a total redesign, not just debugging and enahcement, I think in its present form BIAB has basically gone has far as it can go. IMO

Interesting dialogue...

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