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MIDI can be difficult to understand and intimidating to use. It takes time and practice to be able to create a realistic MIDI performance. +++ THIS +++ 2014 article from the Soundbyte web based magazine is one of the better getting started guides I've found. We're lucky in the sense Band-in-a-Box has excellent MIDI tools. The Staff, Event and Piano Roll views (windows) all are tools that can be used to create a realistic MIDI performance. Using the MIDI based styles as templates for creating your own MIDI styles is a wonderful way to gain a better understanding of how MIDI can be used to create a realistic sounding MIDI based style. Viewing MIDI SuperTracks output in one of the MIDI windows are good demonstrations of realistic sounding MIDI performances.
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Thank you, Jim. About the crossfades to change velocity or expression within a single note: Besides this being very tedious (but necessary) work, it can also give unpredictable results when using the best libraries of sampled instruments because they often use from 3 to 5 round robins of the same note. I have often wished that I could "freeze" a single bar or note/sound.  Thank you for sharing! Will
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2b and Will, I'm pleased you're finding the article useful. Will, I agree it looks like crossfades can be tricky but I think getting crossfades under control has more to do with the audio created by the sample library audio results than the underlying MIDI. However I certainly might be wrong since I've not tried crossfades with MIDI. I've found another article that might be useful and informative to musicians with a strong knowledge of music theory. The article is by composer Jerry Gerber. Mr. Gerber has composed multiple (nine at the time this article was written in 2016) symphonies using the DAW Sonar, soft synths and sample libraries. Mr. Gerber also creates music scores and soundtracks for television and movies. The article is labeled +++ Virtual Orchestra Composition and Production +++ .
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A very interesting article for sure...at least to us Midi-ots! While I'm appreciative of his approach and potential results, I not sure I have the patience to wade through dynamics, expressions, cross fades etc on a note by note basis. Seems one would be stuck on a single song for a very long time and creativity would die a slow death along the road to technical perfection.
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A very interesting article for sure...at least to us Midi-ots! While I'm appreciative of his approach and potential results, I not sure I have the patience to wade through dynamics, expressions, cross fades etc on a note by note basis. Seems one would be stuck on a single song for a very long time and creativity would die a slow death along the road to technical perfection. Jeff Jeff, During one of the Jerry Gerber interviews he indicated the album he just published (at that time) took about two years to produce. I've noticed some prolific book writers issue a new book of a series about every two years. I'm sure time management, dedication, ambition and effort are just as important to success as talent. I lack in "all the above"!  Seriously though, I'm sure some of it boils down to process; knowing your DAW, knowing how to perform the tasks you want to perform and working your way through the process a little at the time.
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Wow - this is incredibly informative. Definitely bookmarking for later. Good find!
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Deryk
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Great article. You would think we should just know this stuff, but it's good to be reminded and our knowledge refreshed.
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I didn't read the article..... but nonetheless, feel totally qualified to comment on because I slept at a Holiday Inn Express 10 years ago.
Actually, when I first started recording with Sonar and it's predecessors, I used midi a lot. Practically everything i did except guitar was midi ( and even some of that was a midi synth called strummer) and often created by mousing in the notes or recording from a non-touch sensitive keyboard. So, essentially, everything went in just dry boring midi. Velocity was the same, start to finish. Gahhhhhh!
And that's the kind of stuff that gives midi a bad name and has that nasty "midi-sounding" quality. Even when using the best quality samples,unless you actually take it note by note, to edit the various parameters, you get stuck with midi sounding midi. Music libraries were constantly telling me to make it sound real.
I did in fact spend a lot of time during my midi days editing the note velocities on drums and keys to try to get some semblance of a live player track. That was some tedious stuff. Talk about BORING!!!! My brain hurts just remembering it.
As such, I rarely use midi now days.
Real tracks cured that all for me when I had recorded a song I wrote and put it into the cakewalk songs forum. I recall a guy who listened and commented. He was a commercial studio owner whose work was highly revered by the folks there. I had a fiddle in the song and he knew me and knew that I didn't play a fiddle. His comment was to the effect that the fiddle track sounded so realistic that he could hear the rosin on the bow and strings. I think that was the turning point for me. I realized that RT's were capable of fooling a person with ears such as his..... and I haven't used midi for much ever since.
Not at all putting down the guys and girls who work with midi and take the time and have the skills to make midi sound realistic. But without the nuances that come mainly from a live player, it's hard to fool someone with midi. The biggest problem with the nuances is the little slides, blurbs, and slurs that occur in the music....AND... is specific to the instrument being replicated. Guitar fret noise and string squeaks come to mind. You gotta know when and where they occur and to what degree to use them correctly. Stuff that, for the most part, only someone who plays that instrument might be aware of.... and sometimes even a player of the instrument doesn't know enough about the nuances to replicate them in a believable manner using midi.
My 2 centavos.
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A very interesting article for sure...at least to us Midi-ots! While I'm appreciative of his approach and potential results, I not sure I have the patience to wade through dynamics, expressions, cross fades etc on a note by note basis. Seems one would be stuck on a single song for a very long time and creativity would die a slow death along the road to technical perfection.
Jeff Hi Jeff, This is a good article but I think it is a little misleading for the beginner MIDI user. For example expression (CC11) is easily controlled while playing via either an expression pedal or the mod wheel (CC1). A lot of the newer MIDI sound sources use key switches and velocity for articulations. Again you can do this live. Forget cross fades using MIDI. Bounce/convert to audio and do it there. It is much easier and quicker in audio. Other controls usually can be assigned to faders or sliders on a MIDI keyboard controller so again the process is very easy and in many times can be played live. If not you lay down your track then use your sliders or knobs in real time during an over dub; i.e. adding to an existing track. YMMV
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