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Was: Getting no sound from my TX81Z Now: Getting unwanted sound from my TX81Z [Resolved] #542949 06/26/19 11:58 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	I recently purchased a TX81Z to use with Band In A Box. When I have everything connected, I can tell that I'm close to getting some sound because I am getting flickering lights that show through the plastic of the USB part of my USB-MIDI interface (so I'm figuring it's midi data, right?). But so far no sound. Any suggestions? Last edited by terriandralph; 06/26/19 04:50 PM.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #542965 06/26/19 01:57 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,191 Hamlin NY	You need MIDI out from your computer to MIDI in on the TX. You will also need audio out from the TX to audio in on your audio interface. You will hear nothing with only the MIDI connections. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #542999 06/26/19 04:58 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	I'm getting sound now but, along with the sound on each part, I am also hearing the sound of the patch that is being displayed on my TX81Z. Any suggestions?

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543021 06/27/19 01:38 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MountainSide Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 2,431 Lake Keowee, South Carolina	If I'm understanding what you're saying that makes sense. That is you are hearing both the sounds from your BIAB sound source and from the 81Z right? If that's the case, it has to do with what channels you have the 81Z setup to respond to. By default, BIAB outputs as follows: Channel 2 - Bass Channel 3 - Piano Channel 4 - Melody Channel 5 - Thru Channel 6 - Strings Channel 7 - Guitar Channel 8 - Soloist Channel 10 - Drums What channel do you have the 81Z setup to respond to? Also, are you using a MIDI interface...not an audio interface but a MIDI interface? Jeff Win11, Intel i7 7700K 4.2Ghz, 32Gb RAM, 2x1Tb HD, 500Gb NVMe, BIAB/RB 2025, MOTU 828MK3 audio, MOTU Midi Express, Yamaha Montage 7, DX7II, TX802, Motif XS Rack, Roland Fantom XR Rack, Oberheim Matrix 1000, VoiceLive3 Extreme, Kontakt 6, SampleTank 4.3

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543023 06/27/19 01:58 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	If I understand you correctly, all sounds are coming from the TX81Z. I have the Basic Receive Channel on the TX81Z set to omni. Here is the cable I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QRHHJDQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Thanks for your help. Last edited by terriandralph; 06/27/19 02:27 AM.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543030 06/27/19 03:35 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,191 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: terriandralph If I understand you correctly, all sounds are coming from the TX81Z. Test this by turning the TX's volume off. Are you still hearing sounds? If yes then no the sounds are not coming from the TX. Originally Posted By: terriandralph I have the Basic Receive Channel on the TX81Z set to omni. If your TX is set to omni and you are sending all of BiaB's sounds to it then yes you are hearing all of the sounds in the TX. Questions, are you hearing more than one TX sound? Do you have one patch set on the TX or a multi, sometimes called a combo? In order to hear one sound only from the TX BiaB's MIDI out MUST match the TX's MIDI in. In a multi/combo mode each BiaB tracks' MIDI out MUST match each TX patch's MIDI input. Originally Posted By: terriandralph Here is the cable I bought: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07QRHHJDQ/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 Thanks for your help. That is a MIDI cable. Please tell us exactly how you have the TX audio connected. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543052 06/27/19 08:10 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	Currently the only way I've been able to hear anything is when I plug my headphones into the TX81Z. I have tried various ways of connecting through loopmidi and MIDI USB Interface but have been unable to get any sounds when I plug into my laptop. I know I'm missing something, but so far I can't come up with the answer.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543059 06/27/19 08:41 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	I was checking my channels (Options>Preference>Channels) and I noticed that the Piano, Drums and Soloist are all set to channel 1. Is this right? I did create my own patch map for the TX81Z – maybe I didn’t set it up correctly?

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543062 06/27/19 08:54 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,191 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: terriandralph Currently the only way I've been able to hear anything is when I plug my headphones into the TX81Z. I have tried various ways of connecting through loopmidi and MIDI USB Interface but have been unable to get any sounds when I plug into my laptop. I know I'm missing something, but so far I can't come up with the answer. You will not get any sound through MIDI cables or connections. I'm assuming that you do not have an audio interface, right? If not you need to take the audio out on the TX and plug it into the mic in on your laptop. This is not the optimum way of recording as an audio interface will give you a much cleaner sound. For stereo you would plug the two 1/4" plugs into the TX's I/MIX and II inputs and the other end into your laptop: https://www.amazon.com/xlr-male-1-4-adapter/s?k=xlr+male+to+1%2F4+adapter&i=electronics-accessories&rh=n%3A172282%2Cn%3A3224439011&dc&page=3&qid=1561661188&rnid=2941120011&ref=sr_pg_3 For mono you would plug the 1/4" plug into the TX's I/MIX input and the other end into your laptop. https://www.amazon.com/Hosa-CMP-310-Mono-Interconnect-Cable/dp/B000068O3I/ref=sr_1_3?hvadid=78546432118271&hvbmt=bb&hvdev=c&hvqmt=b&keywords=1%2F4+to+1%2F8+cable+mono&qid=1561661367&s=gateway&sr=8-3 Note if you have an audio interface the above is the same with the only difference being replacing the laptop mic plug with either 1/4" plugs or XLR plugs, depending on what you audio interface with except. Just remember no sound goes through MIDI cables, just data that a synth or computer can use. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543068 06/27/19 10:07 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	Thanks MarioD - that should solve the problem of being able to get sound by connecting my headphones to my laptop. Now if I can find an answer to my "unwanted sound" problem...

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543098 06/27/19 12:57 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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MarioD Veteran Joined: Dec 2003 Posts: 23,191 Hamlin NY	Originally Posted By: terriandralph Thanks MarioD - that should solve the problem of being able to get sound by connecting my headphones to my laptop. Now if I can find an answer to my "unwanted sound" problem... OK, grab one of those audio cables or get some from another source and hook them up. You should get the TX sound(s) through your computer. In the mean time list exactly what you are using. Things like what kind of laptop, ram, do you have an audio interface, if so what kind? Things like this can help us tremendously. We really need to know exactly what you are doing to further help you. Whenever I get something stuck in the back of my throat, I dislodge it by drinking a beer. It's called the Heineken Maneuver. 64 bit Win 10 Pro, the latest BiaB/RB, Roland Octa-Capture audio interface, a ton of software/hardware

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543132 06/27/19 06:35 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	Well I went ahead and purchased the audio interface - I should be receiving it Monday. Maybe then I won't have this problem with the "unwanted sound"? I certainly hope so!

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543298 06/28/19 04:27 PM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,693 Redondo Beach, Ca.	Originally Posted By: terriandralph I was checking my channels (Options>Preference>Channels) and I noticed that the Piano, Drums and Soloist are all set to channel 1. Is this right? I did create my own patch map for the TX81Z – maybe I didn’t set it up correctly? Those channels are not correct, did you change them? Below see my midi channel setup which is simply the default. There is no reason for you to change that. Bass is 2, Piano 3, Drums 10 and the Soloist is 8 plus the others. You have to set your TX patches for those instruments to match those channels. Yes, you can do it the other way around, match Biab to your TX channels but why? KISS it for now keep the Biab default. The TX has 32 patch memory locations. Make one of those patches your Soloist for example. Inside that patch you'll be able to set the midi channel to 8. I assume you have the manual for it, it should explain how to do that for each patch you want to use in Biab. How you use the patch map in Biab is you right click on the instrument name in the top of your screen click Select MIDI Instrument Patch then Select Higher Bank Patch (From .Pat File) and you will see your patch map. This is AFTER you've set the midi channels. This is the point I made your other thread. If you were using a GM synth all that would be done automatically, here you have to select the patches and set the channels yourself. Attached Files (Click to download or enlarge) (Only available when you are logged in) Screenshot (12).png (181.66 KB, 49 downloads) Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543335 06/29/19 05:21 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	Although I won't get my audio interface until Monday, I did some more experimenting with my setup and found out a little more about the "unwanted sound" I keep getting. I'm hoping someone out there has come across it. For example, when I isolate the bass track (and mute all of the other tracks), I not only hear the bass sound but what I can best describe as a high metallic repeated note (sort of like a drum roll) that seems to somewhat mirror the bass notes. In other words, if a single bass note plays, along with the bass note I hear that high metallic repeated note sound. When the bass note changes pitch, the high metallic repeated note sound also changes pitch. I have done this with other tracks (having only one track play while the others are muted), and no matter what track I have playing (with the other tracks muted), that high metallic repeated note sound is also playing. Since I have muted all of the other tracks, I can't seem to put a finger on where this sound is coming from. Although I don't receive the message any longer, I noticed in the beginning that when I first tried to get sounds out of the TX81Z, I received some sort of "data full" message on the TX81Z. Maybe I'm having a midi feedback issue or something similar?

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543341 06/29/19 06:42 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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jazzmammal Veteran Joined: Jun 2005 Posts: 7,693 Redondo Beach, Ca.	Don't know but have you sorted your midi channels out? Also, now that you're using a hardware synth have you UNCHECKED the "Use VSTi/DXi Synth" in your Midi/Audio Drivers window? Also, do you play an instrument yourself? Are you planning on playing a controller and using the TX for sound? If so unplug the midi cable from your computer and run it from your controller to the TX then simply play the TX and see what happens. You can change patches by using the buttons on the TX itself. Bob Biab/RB latest build, Win 11 Pro, Ryzen 5 5600 G, 512 Gig SSD, 16 Gigs Ram, Steinberg UR22 MkII, Roland Sonic Cell, Kurzweil PC3, Hammond SK1, Korg PA3XPro, Garritan JABB, Hypercanvas, Sampletank 3, more.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543362 06/29/19 09:09 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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OP terriandralph Enthusiast T Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 24	I finally figured it out! I just decided - what the heck, I'm just going to check and uncheck any boxes in BIAB that have to do with midi and hope something works. It turns out that under Options>Preferences>Midi Options, when the box opens up and I uncheck "Output Sync/Start Info", my "unwanted sound" goes away. Last edited by terriandralph; 06/29/19 09:16 AM.

Re: Not getting any sound from my TX81Z terriandralph #543485 06/30/19 12:32 AM Band-in-a-Box for Windows
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