For the past ~10 days he and I have worked together to get it done. I am pleased to provide the final version for your entertainment and "critique". Every project is a learning experience so if you have suggestions/comments, they are welcome.
In fact, we would be glad to provide the Stems from the project to anyone who would like to have a hand at a mix/master of the tracks.
Bass – Bass Thumper Vocals – MusicStudent Organ - Bass Thumper Korg CX3 Piano 1 – Pianoteq 7 – NY Steinway D (Warm), R-Hand. Midi from MuseScore Pro Series Score Piano 2 - Pianoteq 7 – NY Steinway D (Warm), L-Hand. Midi from MuseScore Pro Series Score e-Piano – EZKeys Dream Machine – MK VII Basic. Midi Chords from BIAB Chord Chart Melody – Cello Kontakt Tina Gua Vol 2. Midi from MuseScore Strings – Spitfire Appassionata Violas Sustain. Midi from BIAB Chord Chart Drums - EZD3 - House of Hannah Drum kit
Production - Bass Thumper Mix and Master - MusicStudent, Isotope Nectar 3/ Netron 4 on vocals, Ozone 10 for mastering.
Last edited by MusicStudent; 02/09/2304:36 PM. Reason: Closed Youtube Video
Nice work guys, sounds great! Thanks for showing the DAW view. That always helps to SEE how the song was put together. You make a good team for collaborating and hope you get to do it again.
Nice work guys, sounds great! Thanks for showing the DAW view. That always helps to SEE how the song was put together. You make a good team for collaborating and hope you get to do it again.
Thanks Steve, for helping with the YouTube link insert. It had me stumped for a bit till you showed it could be done.
That is a very cool result. Interesting progression and melody. Three things struck me - a) there's a lot of what feels like ping-ponging, but is just the timing, of keyboard chords across the stereo image. That could be addressed in a variety of ways. b) the ending is more than abrupt - an easy fix & c) the vocal is fine in most respects but could do with a little EQ nudging. I'd suggest using the JSFX Spectrum Matcher to find a vocal that can be used to fill out your own.Or have a look at your own vocal's EQ and try booting the low level spots & reducing the high level ones. GOOD work & well collaborated.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
That is a very cool result. Interesting progression and melody. Three things struck me - a) there's a lot of what feels like ping-ponging, but is just the timing, of keyboard chords across the stereo image. That could be addressed in a variety of ways. b) the ending is more than abrupt - an easy fix & c) the vocal is fine in most respects but could do with a little EQ nudging. I'd suggest using the JSFX Spectrum Matcher to find a vocal that can be used to fill out your own.Or have a look at your own vocal's EQ and try booting the low level spots & reducing the high level ones. GOOD work & well collaborated.
Hey Ray, thanks for your review. This was a fun collab. I have to say I don't understand your a) and c) but I agree with your b).
We are aware of the abrupt ending but our tight schedule precluded us from fixing that.
As for the progression and melody, Mr. Dylan is due that credit.
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Thanks so much for the critical feedback. It is greatly appreciated. In fact, this enhances the "collaboration" of forum members in this project. I think I can find time to continue to polish this cover tune based on input from the forum, so keep it coming and I will add all to the list.
Right at this moment I have another "original" project on my plate. After two Dylan "covers" I need to produce something with more of my music. But I promise, we will get back to this.
Regarding the ping-pong. Good ears Ray, I think what you are refering to is the vocal timing. I struggled with timing which I believe is attributed to the fact that the vocals for this song, are almost always, well behind the beat by as much as a 1/8 to a 1/4 note. I studied three versions to help me emulate the vocal style:
They all sung it with that free flowing laid back timing. So in this song, you tend to first hear the chord on the down beat (ping), then, the vocal (pong) following it. The fact that I can even mention my name alongside these folks, is strange enough, but to think I can capture their timing is crazy talk. But I do agree, perhaps some clever slicing and dicing in the DAW could improve this.
The piano chording is Adele's version (right from her sheetmusic). But I mostly tried to emulate Shane's version for vocals since Bob is too distinctive for me to copy.
I am always looking for vocal tone help. I have Isotope Neutron 4 which allows me to overlay a model EQ similar to JSFX Spectrum Matcher. But I don't know how to use it. I need to learn. Will put this on the list.
And finally, that problematic ending . I want to add ritardando via a tempo change to the final "...to make you feel my love". But my initial efforts were not successful. Will definately put this on the list.
Sorry for the long winded response. I will try to be more succinct in the future.
Hey Ray, thanks for your review. This was a fun collab. I have to say I don't understand your a) and c) but I agree with your b).
I listened again, a) with headphones on the intro and 1st few lines of the verse, to check myself. The left and right sound like the piano is two parts one hard L the other hard R and syncopated. It could be left hand and right hand but the L doesn't seem to be low notes. It struck me as interesting but it continues and seemed a little disorientating. b) The vocal is fie but a little thin/weak sounding. I have a similar problem but a far less attractive voice. Spectrum Matcher allows me, using an isolated vocal or another artist or even a good one of my own, to create a profile of EQ etc. The prog then analyses my current vocal and determines what & how much of the profile is needed to bring the tonality of mine close to the other artist. It runs for a bit, learning and correcting and when I like what I have I "freeze" it lowering the CPU usage and having an enhanced vocal as th result. I done this on my last two songs and folk have commented on the improved level and tone.
Cheers rayc "What's so funny about peace, love & understanding?" - N.Lowe
Hey Ray, thanks for your review. This was a fun collab. I have to say I don't understand your a) and c) but I agree with your b).
I listened again, a) with headphones on the intro and 1st few lines of the verse, to check myself. The left and right sound like the piano is two parts one hard L the other hard R and syncopated. It could be left hand and right hand but the L doesn't seem to be low notes. It struck me as interesting but it continues and seemed a little disorientating. b) The vocal is fie but a little thin/weak sounding. I have a similar problem but a far less attractive voice. Spectrum Matcher allows me, using an isolated vocal or another artist or even a good one of my own, to create a profile of EQ etc. The prog then analyses my current vocal and determines what & how much of the profile is needed to bring the tonality of mine close to the other artist. It runs for a bit, learning and correcting and when I like what I have I "freeze" it lowering the CPU usage and having an enhanced vocal as th result. I done this on my last two songs and folk have commented on the improved level and tone.
Thanks for the clarification details Ray. Dan did the mixing on this and I provided some suggestions, so this additional detail may be useful to him if/when he/we visit this song again.
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a) with headphones on the intro and 1st few lines of the verse, to check myself. The left and right sound like the piano is two parts one hard L the other hard R and syncopated. It could be left hand and right hand but the L doesn't seem to be low notes. It struck me as interesting but it continues and seemed a little disorientating.
I think I can clear that up for you. During the intro we include both piano L-Hand and R-Hand arrangment. But the L-hand bass portion of the piano stops at the start of Verse 1 when Steve steps in with his Bass line, which continues along with R-Hand Piano till the end. The chart below shows the L-Hand bass notes which could be considered syncopated for that intro section only. This is not a RT or the block chords that BIAB provide. This piano track was written for this song. And by the way, the R-Hand Piano is panned R50 and the L-Hand is centered. I suspect we can put some of this on the list.
Nice work! Would be interesting to see other forum members attempt this song using Band-in-a-box. It would be interesting to compare the results and learn from each other. Whose up for the challenge?
We did a similar project here in early 2018. We used Joanne's lyrics for the "Paradox of You" song and had at least 11 forum followers contribute their own renditions of the song. It was quite fun.
b) The vocal is fie but a little thin/weak sounding. I have a similar problem but a far less attractive voice. Spectrum Matcher allows me, using an isolated vocal or another artist or even a good one of my own, to create a profile of EQ etc. The prog then analyses my current vocal and determines what & how much of the profile is needed to bring the tonality of mine close to the other artist. It runs for a bit, learning and correcting and when I like what I have I "freeze" it lowering the CPU usage and having an enhanced vocal as th result. I done this on my last two songs and folk have commented on the improved level and tone.
Ray, I have this capability in Neutron 4 - but I did not know how to use it. So I have now looked up the details here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_KB8dnPnwU&t=1167s I used SC Simple Stems to extract the vocals from Shanes version and used that audio file as the reference for my vocals. OMG, this changes everything for me. Thanks for the direction.
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. I want to add ritardando via a tempo change to the final "...to make you feel my love". But my initial efforts were not successful. Will definately put this on the list.
I will try to be more succinct in the future. 
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