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A Sentimental Dream

A basic, barebones acoustic guitar instrumental. The bass is electric, all other tracks are acoustic.

One question: Although very sparse, are the drums too loud? Sometimes they sound as though they are, and at other times, not so much. I did EQ them a bit, but do they need to come down in the mix?

Thanks

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Key=Eb , Tempo 75, Length (m:s)=3:37
No intro. 32 bar chorus, from bar 1 to bar 32. Repeat x2 choruses

Style is _PICTURE.STY (Picture Sappy Country Pop Ballad)

RealTracks in song: 3502:Bass, Electric, NashvilleRadioBalladA Ev16 075
RealTracks in song: 3700:Guitar, Acoustic, Soloist SlackKeyBallad Ev 085
RealTracks in song: ~~1676:Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 065
RealDrums in Song: CongasEv16[single]
RealDrums in Song:NashvilleBrushesCountryPopEv16: a: Sidestick, Brushes b: Brushes


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Alan,

Love this. It sounds like a Nashville coffee house on a Saturday afternoon. smile

I think the drums sound fine and the mix is excellent with lots of space.

Great stuff!

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I think the drums are fine they fit nicely in the mix
Nice smooth sound are you doing the acoustic guitar yourself? because it sounds beautiful recorded well?
Very nice job


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I really like this and I found the percussion just right.

An interesting chord progression, I hear a tinge of jazz and your use of BiaB is masterful.

Great job.


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Alan...I too love this piece...it's the kind of stuff I like playing in the background when I want to chill and relax...another great use of the BiaB artists and another really fine arrangement! BTW the drums seem fine to me....Dan


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Really well put together - the drums sound fine to me.

Excellent piece.

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Hi Alan,

I agree with the others, the drums and total mix is OK.

Super use of RTs.

Are you playing the lead? If so great job!

A Really good chord progression.


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Originally Posted By: rsdean
Alan,

Love this. It sounds like a Nashville coffee house on a Saturday afternoon. smile

I think the drums sound fine and the mix is excellent with lots of space.

Great stuff!

Bob



Bob,

Thanks so much! I appreciate that very much!

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Originally Posted By: Elliott Kayne
I think the drums are fine they fit nicely in the mix
Nice smooth sound are you doing the acoustic guitar yourself? because it sounds beautiful recorded well?
Very nice job



Hi Elliott ...

Thank you so much for the kind words and feedback on the drums.

No, that is not me on the guitar. It's RT 3700 Slack Key Acoustic Guitar.

I initially played it on my Washburn acoustic and it sounded pretty good. But I don't have good mics for recording acoustic instruments - something I need to address. They sound either too "boomy" or too thin. Sometimes too "plucky", if that makes sense. But I am a lead guitarist, by trade.

Again, many thanks!

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Originally Posted By: Bass Thumper
I really like this and I found the percussion just right.

An interesting chord progression, I hear a tinge of jazz and your use of BiaB is masterful.

Great job.



Bass Thumper ...

Thanks for your time to listen and comment. I appreciate that.

I find experimenting with chord progressions very interesting and lots of fun. I do a lot of smooth jazz, which often has some unexpected but nice progressions. I'm delighted you enjoyed the song!

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Originally Posted By: firesong
Alan...I too love this piece...it's the kind of stuff I like playing in the background when I want to chill and relax...another great use of the BiaB artists and another really fine arrangement! BTW the drums seem fine to me....Dan



Hi Dan ...

Many thanks for the very nice words.

As you might already know, I'm also an author, and quite a few of my songs have been inspired by certain passages in my books - although this one was not.

Thanks for the feedback on the drums.

wishing you everything good ...

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Originally Posted By: PeterF
Alan

Really well put together - the drums sound fine to me.

Excellent piece.

Peter



Hi Peter ...

Thank you very much. I truly appreciate your feedback. You are very kind with your words!

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Originally Posted By: MarioD
Hi Alan,

I agree with the others, the drums and total mix is OK.

Super use of RTs.

Are you playing the lead? If so great job!

A Really good chord progression.




Hi Mario ...

Many thanks for your input regarding the drums and mix. You probably already know how much I like playing around with chord progressions. Sometimes it ends up with something nice and/or interesting. Chords just kinda come to me. I can often "hear" them in my mind before I ever play them. It took me 15 - 20 minutes to come up with this progression.

No, not me playing. It's RT 3700 Slack Key Acoustic lead. I'm not very good at recording acoustic instruments - don't have the proper mics for it. But, I did play it on my acoustic as I was writing it. The RT sounds quite a bit like my take on the melody and chords.

Best to you ...

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Hello Al
good mix
Melody sounds very nice
The guitar solo, just because it lasts so long, has strengths and weaknesses.
But I guess that can't be avoided in such a long BiaB solo.
Great work
Many greetings
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Hi Alan you always bring the best out of biab love it thanks for sharing Eric


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Alan,

Another beautiful instrumental.
Drums sound good.
I thought that that acoustic lead was just slightly too loud - it gave me the sense that the acoustic was "jumping out of the mix" (and sort of "showing off" - volume-wise) every once in a while (not all the time)

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Sentimental chord progression, I can imagine this as the background music for a nice romantic evening in a hotel with wine etc.
Definitely romantic, reminds me bit of the Love Boat theme.
Drums' volume is perfect, not too loud, but still enough to give the backgone for the track. BIAB has many great instruments to choose from and you have selected an excellent lead guitar.

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Lovely sound.
The drums aren't too loud but the rim shot is very thin while the snare slaps are more full bodied....is it possible to add a little wide boost in that area for the sections where it's more prominent?
Sweet.


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Originally Posted By: PROJECT M
Hello Al
good mix
Melody sounds very nice
The guitar solo, just because it lasts so long, has strengths and weaknesses.
But I guess that can't be avoided in such a long BiaB solo.
Great work
Many greetings
Andi ;-)



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Thank you for taking the time to listen and for the nice comments. Hope you have a nice weekend!

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Originally Posted By: F.M.M.
Hi Alan you always bring the best out of biab love it thanks for sharing Eric



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That's very nice of you to say - I truly appreciate it very much. Wishing to you the very best.

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Originally Posted By: floyd jane
Alan,

Another beautiful instrumental.
Drums sound good.
I thought that that acoustic lead was just slightly too loud - it gave me the sense that the acoustic was "jumping out of the mix" (and sort of "showing off" - volume-wise) every once in a while (not all the time)

fj



Hoi Floyd ...

Thank you for the listen and the input. I'll give that acoustic lead track a little compression as soon as I can get back to it. And maybe drop the overall volume just a tad. And maybe I'll give the two guitar tracks a little more separation - not much, just a little more. Thanks a bunch!

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Originally Posted By: jannesan
Sentimental chord progression, I can imagine this as the background music for a nice romantic evening in a hotel with wine etc.
Definitely romantic, reminds me bit of the Love Boat theme.
Drums' volume is perfect, not too loud, but still enough to give the backgone for the track. BIAB has many great instruments to choose from and you have selected an excellent lead guitar.

Janne



Hi Janne ...

It's always nice to hear from you. Thank you so much for the very nice comments. I like the scene you suggested! best to you. Have a great weekend ...

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Originally Posted By: rayc
Lovely sound.
The drums aren't too loud but the rim shot is very thin while the snare slaps are more full bodied....is it possible to add a little wide boost in that area for the sections where it's more prominent?
Sweet.





Hi Ray ...

I always look forward to your comments and suggestions. I'm delighted you enjoyed the song.

I don't have individual stems for the drums, but I think I can enhance the rim shots by carefully playing with the full kit's EQ. BIAB's 10-band equalization plug-in can be very helpful and effective with those types of modification needs. And Audacity offers additional possibilities. I'll look into that next week.

Thanks so much. best to you, mate!

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ONE ANSWER: No. The drums seem perfect to me. But, man, there is no way to bring my ears away from those guitars. Sweet. Ah, this is a by-the-fire-under-the-same-blenket kind of wonderful sound, Alan. Well done.


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The mix and drums sound fine on our monitors.

Another high bar all BiaB production!

It presents a very nice chill vibe.

Love those acoustic jazzy runs on the guitar.
It gives a sophisticated feel to the piece without being over the top.

Well done and enjoyable!

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Lovely song Alan. Loved the mix. Well done


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Originally Posted By: Janice & Bud
The mix and drums sound fine on our monitors.

Another high bar all BiaB production!

It presents a very nice chill vibe.

Love those acoustic jazzy runs on the guitar.
It gives a sophisticated feel to the piece without being over the top.

Well done and enjoyable!

J&B




Hi Lovely Folks ...

Thank you so much for all the kindness. I simply love the Slack Key RTs. "... sophisticated without being over the top." I appreciate that particular comment!

As always, many thanks and wishing both of you the very best.

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Originally Posted By: Scott C
Lovely song Alan. Loved the mix. Well done



Thanks a big bunch, Scott. I'm delighted you enjoyed the listen. Thanks for letting me know. Best to you ...

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This is so beautiful, as with every song you've posted. Chord progressions are your forte ... so beautiful, so unexpected, and yet they carry one's soul, floating, from one to another, seamlessly. A beautiful, unexpected, healing journey. Wonderful lead guitar. The drums are, to my ears at least, absolutely fine smile . Soothing and healing - thank you.

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Very beautiful Alan.

Lovely and serene.

By the way, I don't think Picture is the style.

I looked it up everything looks different.

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Originally Posted By: musician17
This is so beautiful, as with every song you've posted. Chord progressions are your forte ... so beautiful, so unexpected, and yet they carry one's soul, floating, from one to another, seamlessly. A beautiful, unexpected, healing journey. Wonderful lead guitar. The drums are, to my ears at least, absolutely fine smile . Soothing and healing - thank you.



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Originally Posted By: David Snyder
Very beautiful Alan.

Lovely and serene.

By the way, I don't think Picture is the style.

I looked it up everything looks different.

smile








Hi Dasvid,

I'm very glad you found it "lovely and serene". That's exactly what I was hoping for. Thank you so much for validating it! Glad you enjoyed it.

As far as the style, here's the memo directly from the chord input page:

****** Song Summary *************
Title: A Sentimental Dream
File:A Sentimental Dream.SGU
Key=Eb , Tempo 75, Length (m:s)=3:37
No intro. 32 bar chorus, from bar 1 to bar 32. Repeat x2 choruses
No Melody
No Soloist track.
Song is saved with Volume, Pan, Reverb, Chorus, Bank0,
Song is saved with bar changes for Volume Changes,
Style is _PICTURE.STY (Picture Sappy Country Pop Ballad)

RealTracks in song: 3502:Bass, Electric, NashvilleRadioBalladA Ev16 075
RealTracks in song: 3700:Guitar, Acoustic, Soloist SlackKeyBallad Ev 085
RealTracks in song: ~~1676:Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 065
RealDrums in Song: CongasEv16[single]
RealDrums in Song:NashvilleBrushesCountryPopEv16: a: Sidestick, Brushes b: Brushes

*******************


I replaced many of the indigenous style instruments. The way I write my instrumentals is I first fill in the chords. I then find a style that reflects the "character" I was looking for - at least, the closest thing to it. Then as necessary, I replace the indigenous instruments as needed to further develop the sound to my liking. Because I changed out many of the instruments, it might not sound real close to the original style.

I almost always start with chord input and then search through the styles for one I like, and then mix and match instruments until I get the final sound. There have been a few times I heard a style I liked and then created a song within it, but usually, it's the opposite way.

I just got lazy and failed to mention the instruments I replaced and deleted. Sorry for the confusion - my bad!

But the song did start in the Pictures style and then morphed from there.

But it is encouraging to know that some folks actually take the time to check out the info provided. That put a smile on my face!

Take care ...

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Alan,
Smooth & melancholic piece of music. Very airy and unusual. I probably listened to adjusted version as I didn't feel the drums very loud at all. Actually I think lead acoustic is a bit loud. Good one. Thank you for sharing,
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Alan,

This is what I get when I go to the song memo..


***** Song Summary *************
Title: Untitled Song
KStyle is _PICTURE.STY (Picture Sappy Country Pop Ballad)

RealTracks in style: 3501:Bass, Electric, NashvilleRadioBalladAB Ev16 075
RealTracks in style: 3380:Mandolin, BackgroundSoloist OldTimeSadBalladAndy Ev16 065
RealTracks in style: ~1676:Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 065
RealTracks in style: 3959:Synth, Rhythm StripMallStrings 65
RealDrums in style:NashvilleRadioFunkyBallad16^1-a,b:Snare, HiHat

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Quite the befitting title.

It seems to me that the drums sit perfectly in the mix.

Nicely relaxing piece.

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With chord progressions like this, you're going to give James a run for his money! wink

Nice song, good mix, with the hand percussion tucked in way in the back.


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Originally Posted By: PROJECT M
Hello Al
good mix
Melody sounds very nice
The guitar solo, just because it lasts so long, has strengths and weaknesses.
But I guess that can't be avoided in such a long BiaB solo.
Great work
Many greetings
Andi ;-)



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Thanks for the listen and the very kind words! Take care.

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Originally Posted By: David Snyder


Alan,

This is what I get when I go to the song memo..


***** Song Summary *************
Title: Untitled Song
KStyle is _PICTURE.STY (Picture Sappy Country Pop Ballad)

RealTracks in style: 3501:Bass, Electric, NashvilleRadioBalladAB Ev16 075
RealTracks in style: 3380:Mandolin, BackgroundSoloist OldTimeSadBalladAndy Ev16 065
RealTracks in style: ~1676:Guitar, Acoustic, Fingerpicking CountryBrent Ev 065
RealTracks in style: 3959:Synth, Rhythm StripMallStrings 65
RealDrums in style:NashvilleRadioFunkyBallad16^1-a,b:Snare, HiHat

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Hi David ...

My bad! I forgot to mention that I'd swapped out several of the indigenous RTs for different ones.

I entered the chord pattern and went looking for an RT that suited me and ended up with "Picture" because I liked the rhythmic feel of the style. But I forgot to mention the instrument swaps in my OP.

When you're approaching 80 years old, the cobwebs in the brain become more numerous and feisty! I'll try to remember to make those comments when I swap RTs in a style. Thanks for bringing it to my attention.

And many thanks for the kind words in your original comment. Much appreciated! Best to you & yhours.

Alan


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Hi Everyone ...

I replied to David's (Snyder) comments out of order as I think he deserved an answer to his query as soon as possible. I'll get to the rest of you tomorrow. Lots going on at the David household at the moment. See yas tomorrow!

Alan

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