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#771226 07/16/23 06:02 AM
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I have BIAB 2021, but only really began using it this year, though I've had great success with having composed new material as well as creating backing tracks for songs I wrote decades ago as well as instrumental versions of the latter, but what I really need now is more real instruments, particularly real flute, but it doesn't exist in my setup. Is there such a thing in BIAB 2023? I'd also like bassoon, oboe and cello.

Re flute, the kind of sound I'm after is as in UK Canterbury band Caravan's "Love Song With Flute".

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Here is what is currently available for a Flute RT.

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If you search for flute in the RealTracks and don’t find what Dan is showing you, then perhaps you have the Pro version. Upgrading to the Ultrapak would give you almost everything.


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depends why you want the flute. don't forget RTs are prerecoded and unless you get a playable RT you'll be 'stuck' with the phrases the musician recorded. if you want the flute to play the notes you want then midi is the way to go. (correct me if i'm wrong but aren't playable RT's midi approximations of the RT actual sound? Or are they sampled RTs?)

if you ask for advice you'll get recommendations for flute vsts ranging from free to pricey and they may be what you want - not more RTs. same with bassoon, oboe and cello.

edit - do you want more 'real' instrumnts because the midi sounds you are getting are not that good? upgrade your midi sounds with a new GM synth or get some good vsts. if yor midi sounds are poor there are ways to improve sound enormously.

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Thanks Dan/MusicStudent, seeing that list is extremely helpful as I can now see I can get what I want if I upgrade.


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Thanks Matt, I will upgrade!


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Thanks for the reply Bob, but I don't have a midi or alas room for one. I prefer the real instruments, but you're correct about the phrases. There's a particular lead guitar solo I've used really successfully in 5 different tracks and each one sounds as if the musician had tailor made the solos for it, but in 1 track I had to cut and paste a different ending to the solo and in another cut and paste from 2 solos make 1 solo to get rid of the repeated phrases. I now find it impossible to use the solo style in anything else as even after 50+ regenerations I still get the same old phrases coming back.


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I don't have a midi or alas room for one.

That sounds like a slight misunderstanding. MIDI is the protocol and can talk to hardware of software. There are good, free, soft synths around and some good free soundfonts to go with them, so there needs be neither cost nor physical size to use MIDI. It's definitely the case that some instruments work nicely when done by a synth and some don't. BIAB come with VSTSynthFont64 included, but hidden away a bit. It's in the manual.

Where RealTracks are great is that they give a good, realistic, performance with the nuances, though they're still partially 'synthed' as they're frequency shifted to the relevant key.

MIDI synths generally need us to add insert the nuances ourselves, which isn't so easy, but can be done.

There are some very good commercial MIDI-controlled instruments. You might ask advice about specifics.

There are also external MIDI devices that can be physically quite compact, e.g., Ketron SD1000 ... there are others.


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We’ve gone from flute to edited guitar solos, so I’m not sure we know exactly what you want to do. We don’t want to mislead you where you think BIAB can do something that it cannot do automatically. Could you be very specific? Are you trying to recreate a flute or guitar solo with exact notes?

Although BIAB regenerates many variations, it isn’t unlimited. If you have BIAB 2023, a new feature allows you to regenerate only part of a track.


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you don't need room for 'a midi'. you've got one already with BIAB - a soft synth midi player called vstsynthfont and sforzando will play individual midi instruments like a flute. Franky i often can't tell the diffence betweena a top quality midi instrument and the real thing.

see the faq here

https://www.pgmusic.com/techfaq69.htm#1

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