Dan, the very recent update to Song Master Pro says it has the ability to export a tempo map. I had suggested this to the developer and he implemented it. I have not tried it yet however - too busy orchestrating for the next concert. I hope it means that the stems for drums and bass can line up with whatever else I score for them.
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Dan, the very recent update to Song Master Pro says it has the ability to export a tempo map. I had suggested this to the developer and he implemented it. I have not tried it yet however - too busy orchestrating for the next concert. I hope it means that the stems for drums and bass can line up with whatever else I score for them.
I don't see that option in SMP? The documentation is a bit sparce. There is a fixed BPM you can adjust, but thats not a true midi map? I am currently working in Melodyn\Reaper along with a Melodyne video. Hoping for the best.
When exporting your project, not as music xml, but as a midi file, you have the option to include the tempo map, chords and sections (as markers), lyrics, and other midi metadata:
When exporting your project, not as music xml, but as a midi file, you have the option to include the tempo map, chords and sections (as markers), lyrics, and other midi metadata:
Good to know, thanks. Currently working with Reaper\Melodyne ARA. Some success and some ongoing confusion. This is going to take a while to figure out...
For any interested - These two references are "generally working for me"
That video is good for the basics. I would imagine that the beat detection in SMP can probably do something similar. (you should check that out to streamline the workflow) if it works for the songs you're trying to work on, cool. If the song has breaks, changes in time signature, Accelerando or Ritardando it is a bit more challenging, but it just means tough songs require manually mapping every bar.
The map become the master timing and all audio or MIDI will follow it for all tracks.
Don't forget when you map the chord changes in ACW you are essentially making a tempo map in BIAB.
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When exporting your project, not as music xml, but as a midi file, you have the option to include the tempo map, chords and sections (as markers), lyrics, and other midi metadata:
Originally Posted by jpettit
I would imagine that the beat detection in SMP can probably do something similar. (you should check that out to streamline the workflow).
Wow, that was easy... and it gets better! Not only can we Export as midi with tempo map, then drag the midi into Reaper and tempo map appears immediately but we can include all the chord labels!! I have got to spend more time with SMP!
But what it does NOT do is export (file) which contains the block midi chords. Chords are apparently only moved out as "labels" not the notes. EZDrummer can not convert the labels to notes, nor does Reaper. Instead you have to used the mxl export into MuseScan to see the block midi notes when it export the file as midi. Does that make sense?
Unless someone can educate me, again? Cause when or If SMP can do this, my workflow will drastically change... but regardless, I am becoming a big fan of SMP. This app is much deeper than I thought at first and will take me a while to fully understand what is possible.
BIAB and the plugin can convert chord labels to chord MIDI blocks. Keep in mind that midi blocks leave the interpretation of the chord spelling to that chord recognition in that system. This is one of the advantages of music xml. In my experience their chord spelling is so situational that there's no right answer.
Perhaps you should make this a feature request to output their blocked chord spellings to SMP to improve workflow.
Last edited by jpettit; 04/24/2410:24 AM.
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Perhaps you should make this a feature request to output their blocked chord spellings to SMP to improve workflow.
That's actually a very reasonable FR. as I said before, the developer is REALLY open to new ideas and very active, ha has already implemented a good number of suggestions I (and probably other users) gave him, and also quickly fixed many reported bugs, but this is another story...
In the meantime, as a workaround you can try the following: - Export the project as MIDI, with all metadata you need (chords as markers, sections, tempo map, etc) as MIDI1.MID - Export the project also as MusicXML. - Import the MusicXML file in Musescore, then use "Realize Chords" command, which will write the imported chords as MIDI notes. Export this as midi file (MIDI2.MID) - Import MIDI1.MID in Reaper in track 1, this should load the tempo map and other metadata into the project. - Then, import MIDI2.MID in the same project, in track 2 and load EZKeys (or any other VSTi instrument that read chords) in that track.
The VSTi on the second track should follow tempo properly.
Thanks guys, a rather impressive piece of software. I wrapped up my project today and was very pleased with the final results. I sent to producer a mix of four tracks: A vocal track ripped by SMP from a UTube vid, A combined drum and bass mix audio track from a forum member, and two VSTi tracks (Piano and Organ). SMP was a great in helping me bring this all together. I got the tempo map from Melodyn but then found SMP would do it just as well, if not easier.
Importing chords from MusicXML generated by SongMaster Pro seems to work fine now in release 1113. (I have only tested with a few songs but they look ok so far.).
Importing chords from MusicXML generated by SongMaster Pro seems to work fine now in release 1113. (I have only tested with a few songs but they look ok so far.).
Good idea to test this. I’ll give it another try now.
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New version 2.5.0, with lots of improvements (really glad that the developer decided to implement some personal suggestions, like chord playing, chord resize on the Song Sheet or Tidy up to snap for notes and lyrics tracks) and bug fixes (reported bugs are usually fixed within a day!)
[quote=MusicStudent] I have Song Master Pro and found it very useful. I also have Melodyne Studio, which has its own set of uses. I use the combination to transcribe bass lines and create backing tracks using the original song to play over.
Maartian - what tasks do you find the need to use one program over the other ?
Both are excellent and I use both repeatedly. SMP is the new kid on the block but is proving to be a contender.
A few comparisons... based on my workflow
Melodyn integrates (ARA) perfectly into Reaper for pitch correction of vocals on the fly. The more costly versions can do both monophonic and polyphonic separation of tones and therefore do a very good conversion of Audio to Midi. But Melodyne does not really do "stem separation". That is were SMP shines.
SMP is a standalone app so you have to create the individual stems and move them to your DAW. Both programs will create a Tempo map. The only difference is "work flow". Again Melodyn is already in the DAW and SMP needs you to copy and paste the map. Both work well. I use both for Tempo Maps. SMP will write .xml for pasting into MuseScore. SMP will create a Chord Chart, Melodyn does not.
Again both are highly recommended. But if you can only aford one - If you need to perform pitch correction of vocals - you need Melodyne. If not, then SMP is a more versatle tools for tearing apart a mp3 file to all its components. Get the Pro version for all the audio to midi if you intend to create new music from the pieces and parts.
[quote=MusicStudent] I have Song Master Pro and found it very useful. I also have Melodyne Studio, which has its own set of uses. I use the combination to transcribe bass lines and create backing tracks using the original song to play over.
Maartian - what tasks do you find the need to use one program over the other ?
What @DrDan said.
I use Melodyne when I need to visualize the instruments for transcription. Reading note blobs in the piano roll in Melodyne makes that super easy. SMP is great for pulling out a pretty accurate audio stem to practice with.
Last edited by TheMaartian; 11/20/2407:47 AM.
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